grog
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Post by grog on Mar 9, 2023 23:42:02 GMT -5
@bob If only that applied to all political statements made by companies, I doubt it would be ok to run a campaign against ones that pay for abortions or support Israel. peregrineYes, you make an exception for people who try to undermine the rule. You said you were a libertarian, they have many examples of this. Speech is an enlightenment principle you know lol.
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Post by Peregrine on Mar 10, 2023 0:11:17 GMT -5
peregrine Yes, you make an exception for people who try to undermine the rule. You said you were a libertarian, they have many examples of this. Speech is an enlightenment principle you know lol. Undermine what rule?
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Mar 10, 2023 0:46:04 GMT -5
If a company used its page to support Israel or abortion, that would be a fair thing to mention. The customer should be informed.
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Post by Peregrine on Mar 10, 2023 1:22:25 GMT -5
@bob If only that applied to all political statements made by companies, I doubt it would be ok to run a campaign against ones that pay for abortions or support Israel.
Ok according to who? Free speech means you get to say things without censorship, it doesn't mean that nobody can ever say bad things about you as a result of your speech. You are absolutely free to run a campaign against a company that supports abortion, I am free to use my own speech to call you an asshole for doing it. Both of these things are 100% legal. You and RiTides seem to be confusing "someone said something mean to me" with actual censorship and oppression and expecting a world where conservatives can say whatever they want but nobody can ever criticize them for it.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Mar 10, 2023 1:33:54 GMT -5
So there is no line to be drawn for you Grog, no matter how extremist either way?
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Mar 10, 2023 5:04:18 GMT -5
If a company used its page to support Israel or abortion, that would be a fair thing to mention. The customer should be informed. Yeah and they usually aren't shy about it. OkCupid, for instance, is very vocally supportive of it. What might ruffle grog's feathers is that if a model company was very supportive of it, and it was mentioned on Dakka, it would likely get them more goodwill and customers than it would lose them .
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Post by maddocgrotsnik on Mar 10, 2023 5:19:06 GMT -5
Again we seem to have the same old confusion between freedom of speech (good thing) and freedom from criticism/consequence (bad thing).
If there was only a rumour, or just an allegation, Dreamforge was supportive of the Capitol Coup? That’s one thing.
But it’s more than that, isn’t it?
Granted, folk don’t necessarily have an inalienable right to know a given company owner’s political leanings. And I do not support doxxing of any stripe. If someone is content to keep their political and/or religious stuff private and separate to their business activities? We really should support that privacy.
BUT.
If they’re a vocal supporter of X? Those opposed to X are allowed to refuse to do business with that person - and provided it’s not a result of doxxing, inform other would be customers. And if you support or endorse something you know to be controversial? You don’t really get to Surprised Pikachu Face when that controversy leads to lost sales.
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Post by adurot on Mar 10, 2023 6:02:36 GMT -5
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Post by adurot on Mar 10, 2023 7:46:38 GMT -5
Incidentally it amuses me that RiTides is complaining about GW taking down some of their Facebook pages because he liked to discuss stuff there. Unfortunately pointing out that apparent hypocrisy gets your post pulled.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Mar 10, 2023 8:19:53 GMT -5
Incidentally it amuses me that RiTides is complaining about GW taking down some of their Facebook pages because he liked to discuss stuff there. Unfortunately pointing out that apparent hypocrisy gets your post pulled. That's a fun one! Where can I find it?
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Mar 10, 2023 8:23:52 GMT -5
Ahah I went looking on dakka and I found this:
Fire!
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Post by adurot on Mar 10, 2023 8:49:05 GMT -5
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grog
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Post by grog on Mar 10, 2023 12:56:13 GMT -5
peregrineTranslation: you can say whatever you want, we’ll just use our total corporate power to ruin you and even jail you for “hate speech”(anything we don’t like).
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Mar 10, 2023 13:09:55 GMT -5
DakkaDakka, the true source of corporate power.
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Post by skyth on Mar 10, 2023 13:16:43 GMT -5
Looking at recent Republican actions, I think this falls into the 'Every accusation is an admission' category.
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