herzlos
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Post by herzlos on Mar 7, 2023 18:31:35 GMT -5
Raised by social media earlier, I thought it'd be a good starting point for an argument.
If a priest were to become a transgender woman, but the church doesn't recognize gender changes and doesn't allow female priests, will she be de-ordained or be left alone?
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Mar 7, 2023 19:14:10 GMT -5
Excommunicated?
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Post by Peregrine on Mar 7, 2023 22:14:40 GMT -5
I would assume she would be excommunicated and condemned to hell for transitioning.
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Post by steelmage99 on Mar 8, 2023 1:03:23 GMT -5
Surely that would depend on the denomination and the particular church.
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Post by easye on Mar 8, 2023 10:24:03 GMT -5
The ECLA Lutheran church has a Trans bishop, so it varies a lot by denomination.
However, the premise is that the church was not cool with Transitioning in the first place.
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Post by steelmage99 on Mar 9, 2023 2:03:55 GMT -5
The ECLA Lutheran church has a Trans bishop, so it varies a lot by denomination. However, the premise is that the church was not cool with Transitioning in the first place. Perhaps we could clear up the language a bit (without going full Jordan Peterson). What do you mean, when you say; "the church"?
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herzlos
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Post by herzlos on Mar 9, 2023 4:28:56 GMT -5
The ECLA Lutheran church has a Trans bishop, so it varies a lot by denomination. However, the premise is that the church was not cool with Transitioning in the first place. Perhaps we could clear up the language a bit (without going full Jordan Peterson). What do you mean, when you say; "the church"? We can have different answers for different churches. I was thinking of a standard catholic church, being under the Pope. But I appreciate there are many variants on that alone.
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Post by steelmage99 on Mar 9, 2023 5:23:42 GMT -5
Perhaps we could clear up the language a bit (without going full Jordan Peterson). What do you mean, when you say; "the church"? We can have different answers for different churches. I was thinking of a standard catholic church, being under the Pope. But I appreciate there are many variants on that alone. Cool, so the Roman Catholic Church...
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grog
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Post by grog on Mar 9, 2023 17:09:38 GMT -5
The man would no longer be a priest or Catholic. I dont know what the teaching is but I’ve seen bishops call it a rejection of God’s will. Whenever you have anything that can imply god made a mistake then it’s forbidden. Catholics also aren’t supposed to pray for the dead by this reasoning. In conclusion, Francis and the vatican would be OK with it.
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Post by Peregrine on Mar 9, 2023 17:33:47 GMT -5
The man would no longer be a priest or Catholic. I dont know what the teaching is but I’ve seen bishops call it a rejection of God’s will. Whenever you have anything that can imply god made a mistake then it’s forbidden. Catholics also aren’t supposed to pray for the dead by this reasoning. In conclusion, Francis and the vatican would be OK with it. Fascinating that you seem to know more about God's opinions on these things than His chosen representative on earth.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Mar 9, 2023 18:08:28 GMT -5
Is that why all the child molesters get to stay priests, because it's god's will? Or is that a 'mistake' worth overlooking?
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Post by adurot on Mar 9, 2023 18:50:50 GMT -5
It’s why priests aren’t allowed to wear glasses, because that would imply God made a mistake they needed to correct.
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grog
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Post by grog on Mar 9, 2023 22:45:04 GMT -5
Is that why all the child molesters get to stay priests, because it's god's will? Or is that a 'mistake' worth overlooking? Evil people have always used instituions like this, next do public schools, gay activists, and hollywood. peregrineSame representitives wrote that teaching. Also sanctioned executions and wars over things modern clergy come close to endorsing. I’m not pretending none of that happened.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Mar 10, 2023 1:26:30 GMT -5
Is that why all the child molesters get to stay priests, because it's god's will? Or is that a 'mistake' worth overlooking? Evil people have always used instituions like this Why doesn't the church excommunicate priests who molest children if it makes them evil people? Why does it simply cover for them and move them to other positions? God's will?
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Mar 10, 2023 13:08:25 GMT -5
Same reason DAs across the US won’t enforce the law against blacks and antifa, they’ve been captured, in the church’s case by non-catholics. So its a no true catholics/christians thing? So the fake christians not going after the molesters would excommunicate someone for being trans? I guess that makes sense, true christians would be tolerant.
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