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Post by Haighus on Jul 14, 2024 1:24:53 GMT -5
I don't think you'd want to find out what happens when major political people in highly polarized situations get killed, there's a reason why political violence isn't legitimate in democracies. This just isn't anywhere near acceptable. Yeah, as much as I dislike Trump, there is no way this won't lead to more violence.
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Post by crispy78 on Jul 14, 2024 2:14:57 GMT -5
Slightly worried this is the proverbial thing that doesn't kill him but makes him stronger.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Jul 14, 2024 2:58:15 GMT -5
If Biden had been shot at by a registered Democrat, half the internet would be shouting false flag.
You have to hope this doesn't move the needle for the election. Trump getting grazed doesn't miraculously fix that mess of a personality.
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Post by Peregrine on Jul 14, 2024 3:14:32 GMT -5
Slightly worried this is the proverbial thing that doesn't kill him but makes him stronger. I don't think it's too likely. Trump's fanatical followers will believe that God personally intervened to save him and this proves he is the second coming of Jesus but those people are already voting for him. I don't see anyone who wasn't already going to vote for Trump deciding that this of all things makes him the better candidate. The only real risk is that this story dominating the news for a while takes attention off his flaws but there's plenty of time before November to get the focus back on Project 2025, how Trump raped a 13 year old with his buddy Epstein, etc.
And I think the chances of it having any significant impact go down even further if the identification of the shooter is confirmed. He was a registered republican so they can't even spin this as being somehow Biden's fault, Trump was almost shot by his own side.
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Post by adurot on Jul 14, 2024 3:15:18 GMT -5
Reports have identified the shooter, and apparently he’s a registered Republican.
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Post by Peregrine on Jul 14, 2024 3:18:34 GMT -5
Reports have identified the shooter, and apparently he’s a registered Republican. Yep, but with the temporary grain of salt that in the US party registration doesn't necessarily mean party preference. In PA, as in other states, you have to register as a member of a party to vote in their primary so you often see people registering to vote against a particularly objectionable candidate when their real party's primary doesn't have anything interesting happening. We'll definitely want to hold off on gloating too much until it's confirmed that he was actually a republican.
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Post by dabbler on Jul 14, 2024 3:21:05 GMT -5
It's why I'm mostly scrolling past everything to do with this. It'll be insanely sensationalised for the first couple of days until people have actual information, then we can learn something about it.
Until then it's just a mess
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Jul 14, 2024 3:53:18 GMT -5
I would've thought gloating should be avoided because it's bad, but what do I know?
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Jul 14, 2024 4:30:58 GMT -5
A registered Republican that donated $15 to Biden, both sides are going to disown this guy and point across the aisle.
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Post by mdgv2 on Jul 14, 2024 4:38:36 GMT -5
I just don’t understand how this could even happen in the modern day.
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Post by Peregrine on Jul 14, 2024 4:48:25 GMT -5
I just don’t understand how this could even happen in the modern day. Because the reality is it's very hard to prevent an assassination if the assassin is willing to die to take a shot at their target. This guy knew he was going to die within seconds of pulling the trigger but all he needed was those few seconds before the police snipers spotted him and took their shot. The reason we don't see more assassinations is that most politicians in functioning countries aren't so awful that rational people are willing to pay that price, leaving only the ineffective mentally ill assassins who rarely manage to put a realistic plan together without getting caught. And tyrants like Putin have the kind of brutal and obsessive security that keeps even the professionals from getting an opportunity.
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Post by mdgv2 on Jul 14, 2024 4:51:13 GMT -5
Not so much that. But why was the roof of a building with a clear line of sight not like, cordoned off/under observation etc?
Sounds like someone really fucked up to me. Or I’ve been watching too many movies. Could be both.
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Post by Peregrine on Jul 14, 2024 5:06:30 GMT -5
Sounds like someone really fucked up to me. Yep, that part was a complete failure. It's an obvious place for a sniper with clear line of sight to the stage, cover to get into position, and close enough that even a mediocre shooter can easily hit the target. It's honestly kind of unbelievable that Trump is still alive, if the shooter had aimed for center mass instead of a more difficult head shot we'd probably be celebrating his obituary instead of talking about how it will impact his support in the election.
Also, something worth noting is that it's rumored that when Trump left office he was assigned the MAGA secret service members because nobody else wanted to deal with him. So it's quite possible he has the bottom of the barrel and with his incessant rallies it limits the amount of time they can put into securing each site. Who knows how many times they half-assed the preparations in the past and only got away with it because nobody wanted to die to take a shot at him that day.
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Post by skyth on Jul 14, 2024 6:52:08 GMT -5
Slightly worried this is the proverbial thing that doesn't kill him but makes him stronger. I don't think it's too likely. Trump's fanatical followers will believe that God personally intervened to save him and this proves he is the second coming of Jesus but those people are already voting for him. I don't see anyone who wasn't already going to vote for Trump deciding that this of all things makes him the better candidate. The only real risk is that this story dominating the news for a while takes attention off his flaws but there's plenty of time before November to get the focus back on Project 2025, how Trump raped a 13 year old with his buddy Epstein, etc.
And I think the chances of it having any significant impact go down even further if the identification of the shooter is confirmed. He was a registered republican so they can't even spin this as being somehow Biden's fault, Trump was almost shot by his own side.
I could see spinning this into 'see what happens when you continuously advocate for violence against your opponents? You get what you asked for.'.
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Post by skyth on Jul 14, 2024 11:56:29 GMT -5
And it has to be said...When you constantly threaten and incite violence against your political rivals as well as support the person that threatens and incites, you don't get to pull the surprised pikachu face when violence is used against you...
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