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Post by Haighus on Aug 25, 2024 16:34:47 GMT -5
Just looked at the Trump Trout.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Aug 26, 2024 6:00:17 GMT -5
Oh hey, look, it's the "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" "debate" again, except for real instead of confined to an internet forum. What fun.
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mdgv2
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Post by mdgv2 on Aug 26, 2024 6:53:52 GMT -5
Is she enslaved though? Looks pretty free to me?
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Aug 26, 2024 6:58:32 GMT -5
I think the argument they're using Dred Scott for is that only people with two US citizen parents born in the US are natural citizens which entirely ignores the fact that the 14th amendment exists. It's completely absurd.
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Post by A Town Called Malus on Aug 26, 2024 7:05:55 GMT -5
Is she enslaved though? Looks pretty free to me? Dred Scott also said that descendants of slaves could never be citizens, for the reasons that walrus says. It effectively was an attempt by the supreme court to strip citizenship from all black people in the USA for eternity. There's a reason it is up there as one of the worst decisions ever made by the supreme court. Justice Breyer basically laid out all that was wrong with it in a lecture he gave in 2009, and how the dissent of justice Curtis basically exposed the ruling of the majority as so fundamentally flawed that his dissent was circulated in pamphlets and used in speeches by Lincoln. www.supremecourt.gov/publicinfo/speeches/sp_06-01-09.htmlWhen you see the arguments used by the majority, appeals to interpreting the constitution as it was supposedly intended at the time of it's writing and ignoring any inconvenient truths which challenge their interpretation of that intent, you see the seed of the modern "Originalist" mantra of conservative supreme court justices.
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mdgv2
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Post by mdgv2 on Aug 26, 2024 7:10:05 GMT -5
Fucking hell.
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Post by easye on Aug 26, 2024 9:02:03 GMT -5
Trumpy Trout.... and we are supposed to take this guy seriously still?
Feth, this is the worst timeline.
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Post by easye on Aug 26, 2024 14:37:02 GMT -5
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Aug 26, 2024 15:16:30 GMT -5
I can’t imagine those endorsements benefitting him much. Tulsi Gabbard is considered at best a Russian asset by Dems and completely unknown to low information voters. RFK was seen by everyone paying any attention as a Trump stooge failing to pull a Nader so bad he was hurting his own guy.
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Post by Peregrine on Aug 26, 2024 15:43:50 GMT -5
I can’t imagine those endorsements benefitting him much. Tulsi Gabbard is considered at best a Russian asset by Dems and completely unknown to low information voters. RFK was seen by everyone paying any attention as a Trump stooge failing to pull a Nader so bad he was hurting his own guy. The RFK one does at least remove the threat of his rival and release the Trump voters he had pulled away. It's not a huge number in absolute terms but it could be significant in a close state.
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Aug 26, 2024 17:55:17 GMT -5
Good point.
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Post by easye on Aug 27, 2024 12:58:44 GMT -5
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Aug 27, 2024 13:18:04 GMT -5
I see these politically-targeting raids becoming very common in November…
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Post by adurot on Aug 27, 2024 13:43:17 GMT -5
Don’t forget though, as AG we should give his legal opinion the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by Hordini on Aug 28, 2024 18:43:29 GMT -5
Don’t forget though, as AG we should give his legal opinion the benefit of the doubt. Oh? Why do you say that?
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