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Post by easye on Apr 17, 2023 10:14:02 GMT -5
You know, this is a topic I never thought would become a political issue in my life time. I though we had put this one to bed way back before WWI, and possibly even earlier. Yet, 2023 and modern US politics never fails to surprise me. www.npr.org/2023/04/17/1168824035/child-labor-tobacco-legal-dangerous12-year-olds can't buy cigarettes — but they can work in tobacco fieldsOf course, this story is hot on the heels of two other big stories that you can find out about: 1. Gov. Huckabee-Sanders loosened restrictions on child labor laws in her state 2. The Feds recently busted a few companies for using child labor in Meat Processing plants as cleaners. Kids really are on the frontlines of the civil rights and worker's rights battles more than I thought was possible.
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Post by herzlos on Apr 17, 2023 10:32:34 GMT -5
Man they'll do anything to avoid letting in foreigners.
I watched a politician claim that the workers shortage was because allowing abortion had murdered 200,000 children who couldn't grow up to fill the job vacancies. I'll see if I can find it, because it's unhinged.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Apr 17, 2023 13:10:56 GMT -5
Makes perfect sense in their minds, just don't mention all of the actual people dying from completely preventable causes.
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Post by herzlos on Apr 19, 2023 5:07:48 GMT -5
I don't get it either. It's presumably cheaper to keep a kid alive than grow a new one. But then I guess if you think any failure is the parents fault for being poor, and with a combined plan of poor education, repoductive and womens rights, you'll have a ready supply of new kids, maybe it's not that big a deal.
Of course, it may be cheaper again to import adult workers who are already economically productive, but being pro immigrant is anathema.
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Post by adurot on Apr 19, 2023 6:58:13 GMT -5
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Post by easye on Apr 19, 2023 10:13:38 GMT -5
Meanwhile, in the House of Reps in Washington D.C. they are making a big deal about 85K missing children from the immigration system who they think are being used as child laborers, and how that is the worst thing in the world! www.foxnews.com/politics/hhs-chief-unfamiliar-reports-agency-cant-contact-85000-unaccompanied-migrant-kidsI honestly can not even fathom what the strategy is here considering: 1. They were gleeful about the child separation policies of Trump 2. They have been passing Child Labor laws at the state level Yet, they want us to believe that now they care about some missing immigrant kids?
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Post by easye on May 4, 2023 8:44:23 GMT -5
McDonald's franchises face more than $200,000 in fines for child-labor law violationswww.npr.org/2023/05/04/1173900867/10-year-old-mcdonalds-fineNote the states, how long until their legislatures pass Child Labor Protection Laws, you know; to retroactively make Child Labor legal? Obviously, it won't matter as this is a Federal case but you know..... to show their base how they are fighting against the Feds.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on May 4, 2023 9:25:35 GMT -5
So that is roughly a $650 fine per child? Maybe on average about 1-2 weeks of labor that you would pay a regular employee? I can't imagine children are making the big bucks, so this must be an absolute steal for that franchise in saved labor costs.
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Post by easye on May 4, 2023 16:56:59 GMT -5
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Post by Haighus on May 27, 2023 3:00:38 GMT -5
I remember reading To Kill a Mockingbird in school, and thinking how grim it was that the Cunningham kid couldn't progress through school because he was always forced to work the harvest by his parents. Both the forced labour and the concept of being dropped back a year* were very alien and seemed really backwards, nearly as much as the overt racism that was the theme of the book.
Now chunks of the US are deciding that illiterate peons are the way to go. Depressing.
*Exceptionally rare in the UK, tends to screw kids up more by destroying their social network.
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Post by herzlos on May 30, 2023 5:13:04 GMT -5
McDonald's franchises face more than $200,000 in fines for child-labor law violationswww.npr.org/2023/05/04/1173900867/10-year-old-mcdonalds-fineNote the states, how long until their legislatures pass Child Labor Protection Laws, you know; to retroactively make Child Labor legal? Obviously, it won't matter as this is a Federal case but you know..... to show their base how they are fighting against the Feds. And oddly, no news about these places losing the franchises. Even though I doubt McDonalds corporate isn't too bothered about child labour, you'd think they'd want to publicly distance themselves from the bad PR. I can't actually comprehend a 10 year old working the drive through window or a chip fryer. I've got nieces that age. I could understand kids helping out a family business a few hours a week here and there with easy jobs, but dangerous or public facing ones? Hell no.
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Post by squidhills on Jun 1, 2023 19:17:17 GMT -5
McDonald's franchises face more than $200,000 in fines for child-labor law violationswww.npr.org/2023/05/04/1173900867/10-year-old-mcdonalds-fineNote the states, how long until their legislatures pass Child Labor Protection Laws, you know; to retroactively make Child Labor legal? Obviously, it won't matter as this is a Federal case but you know..... to show their base how they are fighting against the Feds. And oddly, no news about these places losing the franchises. Even though I doubt McDonalds corporate isn't too bothered about child labour, you'd think they'd want to publicly distance themselves from the bad PR. I can't actually comprehend a 10 year old working the drive through window or a chip fryer. I've got nieces that age. I could understand kids helping out a family business a few hours a week here and there with easy jobs, but dangerous or public facing ones? Hell no. I'm surprised to see Maryland listed there. Were children found to be working illegally in MD, or was MD just listed because the franchise company has branches in MD? Because MD is does not strike me as bastion of hyper-capitalist MAGA fascism. I mean, yeah, we have our share of fascists running around, but they tend to be in the minority. I can understand there being some old child labor exceptions for farm work, because we used to have a lot of farmland back in the day. But most of the farms in my neck of the woods are housing developments now. I can totally see Kentucky and Ohio pushing to make child labor legal, but I'd be genuinely surprised to see MD tack that way.
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Post by easye on Jul 21, 2023 10:38:29 GMT -5
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Jul 21, 2023 10:43:51 GMT -5
I feel like a business where three people die in three years should probably no longer be a business. That they were illegally employing a 16 year old is just the messed up cherry on top.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Jul 21, 2023 18:49:58 GMT -5
The only death penalty I support is for legal entities. Your company killed three people? That's the corporate guillotine for you, chop chop. Laws created them; laws can destroy them.
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