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Post by easye on Apr 15, 2024 15:53:07 GMT -5
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Apr 15, 2024 16:34:02 GMT -5
It was a bloodbath, but also a lesson and a warning: stop telling us you’re running in a marathon.
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Post by easye on Apr 15, 2024 16:46:56 GMT -5
I always wondered why marathons became a thing considering what happened to the first guy!
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Apr 15, 2024 16:52:36 GMT -5
It’s like that old saying, How will you know if a Greek was at Marathon in the first minute of meeting him?
He’ll tell you!
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Post by nfe on Apr 18, 2024 3:15:07 GMT -5
A US archaeologist, Flint Dibble*, has debated Graham Hancock on Joe Rogan's podcast. It's on Youtube. It is the car crash you'd expect. Everyone involved does a terrible job.
Particularly frustrating watch for some of us involved in archaeological outreach, I imagine, because Dibble presents loads of evidence that comprehensively rebuts Hancock's nonsense but never explains WHY it does, and spends an awful lot of time dodging questions he should have just had the balls to answer then explain.
*his dad was a paleolithicist, it's not quite the first class nominative determinism it seems.
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Post by mdgv2 on Apr 18, 2024 9:32:41 GMT -5
Stefan Milo has it down as a resounding win for Flint. In a not direct refutation of your observation that Flint didn’t offer much explanation? The takeaway, according to Mr Milo, is that Hancock just….agreed with him. And didn’t refute anything. I’m not up on this stuff, so will just share Mr Milo’s vid. www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWugM4XRPuc
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Post by easye on Apr 18, 2024 9:53:17 GMT -5
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Post by nfe on Apr 18, 2024 17:57:43 GMT -5
Stefan Milo has it down as a resounding win for Flint. In a not direct refutation of your observation that Flint didn’t offer much explanation? The takeaway, according to Mr Milo, is that Hancock just….agreed with him. And didn’t refute anything. I’m not up on this stuff, so will just share Mr Milo’s vid. www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWugM4XRPucI don't know who this is but his video is literally a load of things Dibble doesn't say. The speaker here is connecting the dots. Dibble presents the evidence but doesn't explain why it means anything. It's especially annoying because I assume as someone who did a PhD in the US he'll have taught a lot and marked a lot and he's probably written comments on hundreds of essays about how they need to explain what the evidence means and why and not just present a list of facts. The two key things in terms of probabilities of discovery and the god of the gaps retreat raised here are better and more effective arguments in about 200 words than Dibble manages in four and a half hours. It takes him an hour and a half to get to anything even approaching the former point and never raises the latter which would seem to be painfully obvious - and indeed most Hancock fans will be atheists who'd sneer at actual god of the gaps arguments, so probably about the most effective strategy. The main takeaways for any sympathetic to 'alternative' archaeological narratives will be: A - very little of the planet is excavated B - Dibble backtracked rapidly from associating Hancock and pseudoarchaeology with racism, tries to deny he ever did so, then weasel words his way around what he meant. Dibble has written a lengthy defence of his debating Hancock and taking the Joe Rogan platform on the basis of being able to convince his fans he's wrong, and I think he'll have helped convince them. This is maybe harsh, he's obviously doing it for the right reasons and prepared a lot of evidence, and he's not a trained or experienced media performer, he's under pressure, he's obviously nervous and trying to be polite, but these are probably reasons he shouldn't have agreed to do it in the first place. As I say, a very frustrating watch. Probably more harm than good done.
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Post by mdgv2 on Apr 23, 2024 6:30:57 GMT -5
As a pop culture remedy to Netflix shite like “Graham Hancock’s Baseless Chinny Reckons”?
Time Team. The Tv series which arguably revolutionised the popularity and understanding of archaeology in the UK. Whilst of perhaps limited educational value and superficial to actual archaeologists, as a total rank amateur I find it a perfect mix of accessible and educational. If nothing else, I have a better understanding of how archaeologists can apply what we know about different sites to new discoveries. Just wonderful stuff.
And this is just one episode of one dig. If you enjoy it, check out their archives, because there’s a lot to watch.
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Post by nfe on Apr 23, 2024 11:32:18 GMT -5
TT misrepresents archaeological research timescales, and the contracted three-day thing is a bit silly, but otherwise it's great and is generally really well-regarded by archeologists. It was always full of legitimate experts publishing on the material they're investigating.
The gateway for 90% of 30-50 year old UK archaeologists.
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Post by mdgv2 on Apr 23, 2024 12:04:23 GMT -5
Has to be a compromise for compelling telly And this, originally, from the very same channel that eventually shat Big Brother into society.
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Post by mdgv2 on Apr 23, 2024 16:06:54 GMT -5
Also, on the general countering of (however inadvertently) racist Chinny Reckons?
Content warning, the content creator isn’t great at pointing out when it’s him with his informed critique and A Gobshite. But that might just be me struggling to easily tell the accents and tones of voice apart right now.
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