US and NA Politics (General)

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Aug 1, 2019 19:08:54 GMT -5 whemblycthulhu said:

Do you see that?

To be honest, I think it's down to Biden/Harris or Biden/Tulsi.

Not really.  To be honest I'd have a hard time picking Tulsi out of a line up she made so little impression on me.

[whemblycthulhu]

Aug 1, 2019 19:32:35 GMT -5 Least censored on the planet! said:

Aug 1, 2019 19:08:54 GMT -5 whemblycthulhu said:

I really don't see this, but my Trump-hating democratic friends says they like Harris, but worries about her electibility in that she has that "Hillary Clinton" baggage vibe.

That woman baggage or something else?

I guess what they were saying is that Harris has the same sort of 'Hillary Clinton-ish' unlikable attributes.

I don't quite see it.

Harris was an aggressive California prosecutors... but, that's simply du jour in American politics.  Maybe the progressive base won't like Harris' "cop" background, but I'm not sure I agree with my friends comment that Harris is like Clinton.

[whemblycthulhu]

Aug 1, 2019 19:44:16 GMT -5 @baroniveagh said:

Aug 1, 2019 19:08:54 GMT -5 whemblycthulhu said:

Do you see that?

To be honest, I think it's down to Biden/Harris or Biden/Tulsi.

Not really.  To be honest I'd have a hard time picking Tulsi out of a line up she made so little impression on me.

Has any of the candidates impressed you?  

[Disciple of Fate]

Aug 1, 2019 19:44:16 GMT -5 @baroniveagh said:

Aug 1, 2019 19:08:54 GMT -5 whemblycthulhu said:

Do you see that?

To be honest, I think it's down to Biden/Harris or Biden/Tulsi.

Not really.  To be honest I'd have a hard time picking Tulsi out of a line up she made so little impression on me.

The trick to picking her out of a line up is looking for Assad and then looking to the left or right of him >_>

She is one weird cookie even in a field that has Marianne... There is an unhappy middle if you want to approach Syria the way Gabbard has seemingly wanted to, unfortunately for her she missed that middle and went straight for the ditch.

I mean Biden catches a lot of flack for his baggage for being in politics for 50 years, but she has managed to take on almost an equal load of baggage in 20. Its just that she is unknown to most people. Anybody but Trump for sure, but please not Gabbard either, she might actually be the mythological DINO, with warnings of a certain type of pachyderm written all over..

[semipotentwalrus]

So a mate pointed this out to me:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_American_Human_Development_Index#/media/File:Map_of_U.S._states_by_American_Human_Development_Index_2016.svg

There's your problem. Right there. Unless you can actually bridge that development gap somehow you're fucked as a country long-term. There is nothing that's as destabilizing to a country as great material differences between segments of the population.

[semipotentwalrus]

Also, while we're at it, wasn't Hillary supposed to be the Great Satan for selling uranium to Russia?

The page 3 summary is pretty nice:

Overall, the new documents obtained by the Committee reveal that, with regard to Saudi Arabia, the Trump Administration has virtually obliterated the lines normally separating government policymaking from corporate and foreign interests. The documents show the Administration’s willingness to let private parties with close ties to the President wield outsized influence over U.S. policy towards Saudi Arabia. These new documents raise serious questions about whether the White House is willing to place the potential profits of the President’s friends above the national security of the American people and the universal objective of preventing the spread of nuclear weapons.

[CommieCanUCK]

Aug 2, 2019 9:55:35 GMT -5 semipotentwalrus said:

Also, while we're at it, wasn't Hillary supposed to be the Great Satan for selling uranium to Russia?

The page 3 summary is pretty nice:

Overall, the new documents obtained by the Committee reveal that, with regard to Saudi Arabia, the Trump Administration has virtually obliterated the lines normally separating government policymaking from corporate and foreign interests. The documents show the Administration’s willingness to let private parties with close ties to the President wield outsized influence over U.S. policy towards Saudi Arabia. These new documents raise serious questions about whether the White House is willing to place the potential profits of the President’s friends above the national security of the American people and the universal objective of preventing the spread of nuclear weapons.

He'S gUNna RuN ThE guBMint LIkEs A BuSinESs!

Yeah, 50 years of failed, corrupt businesses, and here we fucking are.

[whemblycthulhu]

Aug 2, 2019 8:02:11 GMT -5 semipotentwalrus said:

So a mate pointed this out to me:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_American_Human_Development_Index#/media/File:Map_of_U.S._states_by_American_Human_Development_Index_2016.svg

There's your problem. Right there. Unless you can actually bridge that development gap somehow you're fucked as a country long-term. There is nothing that's as destabilizing to a country as great material differences between segments of the population.

Can you elaborate on the methodology on this study?

[semipotentwalrus]

I can link their web page, but from what I understand they're applying a slightly modified version of the Human Development Index (HDI) to individual American states. HDI is one of the most commonly used indicators of human development but is usually used on a country-by-country comparison basis, while the linked map is, obviously, only concerned with the United States.

Anyhow, here's the Measure of America web page:

measureofamerica.org/human-development/#american

[whemblycthulhu]

Aug 2, 2019 14:43:20 GMT -5 semipotentwalrus said:

I can link their web page, but from what I understand they're applying a slightly modified version of the Human Development Index (HDI) to individual American states. HDI is one of the most commonly used indicators of human development but is usually used on a country-by-country comparison basis, while the linked map is, obviously, only concerned with the United States.

Anyhow, here's the Measure of America web page:

measureofamerica.org/human-development/#american

That's an interesting methodology.  I like it.

I just wished we can see the raw data to see how they've normalized the data.

[semipotentwalrus]

Countrary to what some people may believe, us political scientists do have a bunch of really neat and useful tools. ;P

[dusa]

And Ratcliffe is back out despite his great audition.

[steelmage99]

Aug 2, 2019 9:55:35 GMT -5 semipotentwalrus said:

Also, while we're at it, wasn't Hillary supposed to be the Great Satan for selling uranium to Russia?

Can't help myself whenever this issue is brought up.

Summary of Uranium One "Scandal"

- Canadian company Uranium One sells controlling interest to state-owned Russian company Rusatom.
- Due to the fact that Uranium One mines uranium in the US among others, the sale has to be approved by CFIUS.
- CFIUS is a nine-department commission headed by the Treasury Department. Other departments include Defense, Homeland Security, Justice, State and Energy among others.
- Then-Assistant Secretary of State Jose Fernandez was the State Department representative on CFIUS.
- The sale is approved by CFIUS, and a recommendation is sent to the President.
- The President, on CFIUS' recommendation, does not veto the sale. Veto from the President has happened before.
- Congress does not veto the sale. Veto from Congress has happened before.
- Supreme Court does not veto the sale. Veto from the Supreme Court has happened before.
- The US Nuclear Regulatory Commission issues the necessary permits. Permits has been withheld before.
- Independent watch dog organisations does not raise questions about the sale. Questions has been raised before.
- The sale is accepted, on the condition that no uranium mined in the US (about 20% of US' production capacity of uranium) can leave the US and must remain under US control.

Conclusion: The statement; "Hillary sold 20% of US' uranium to Russia" is almost ENTIRELY FALSE, and makes anybody who utters it look like a dumbass.

[Disciple of Fate]

Tragic day for the US, 20 people murdered by a white supremacist in El Paso and before the thoughts and prayers train could really get rolling 9 more people got murdered in Dayton. Such senseless death...

The mentally ill garbage has already started for the El Paso shooting, god forbid anyone actually takes some accountability for stoking this BS.

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Aug 1, 2019 19:49:48 GMT -5 whemblycthulhu said:

Has any of the candidates impressed you?  

Weld, but we're not allowed to speak of him.