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Post by Disciple of Fate on Jun 5, 2020 8:31:19 GMT -5
So what you're saying is... antifa already dates back to 1770, overthrowing the government once and about to do it again? |
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Jun 5, 2020 14:48:56 GMT -5
No, of course not. Antifa wouldn't look kindly on slavery.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Jun 5, 2020 15:09:27 GMT -5
No clearly Lincoln was a Republican and the Democrats were the racist party. So slavery=Democrats and Democrats=Antifa, leading into Antifa=slavery, right?
Coming to a Trump twitter account near you shortly.
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Jun 5, 2020 15:12:52 GMT -5
Also, Nazis were socialist, which makes Antifa the real Nazis.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Jun 5, 2020 19:34:04 GMT -5
Also, Nazis were socialist, which makes Antifa the real Nazis. I hate that I knew people who vehemently argued that Nazis were socialists. |
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Jun 5, 2020 21:26:55 GMT -5
Personally, I hate the whole "Antifa are the real fascists!" shtick. There is more to fascism than using violence for political ends.
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Post by lonestarr777 on Jun 6, 2020 0:36:07 GMT -5
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Post by hatoflords on Jun 6, 2020 1:37:28 GMT -5
Personally, I hate the whole "Antifa are the real fascists!" shtick. There is more to fascism than using violence for political ends. I mean, facism generally posits the notion that politics are inherently violent (so you should stab the opposition first).
Really, the dumbest part of the whole Antifa saga is that we've already traveled this road with Anonymous and apparently learned nothing. Antifa isn't an organization. It's not even a ideology, really. It's a loose set of tactics for political action and a uninspired fashion sense. It's also, as far as I can tell, not a particular popular one. There don't seem to be that many people who identify as part of 'Antifa'. The idea it can be combated in any way is moronic. The height of not paying attention. The idea they pose a real threat to the country is even more moronic. It's just a conservative boogeyman.
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Post by steelmage99 on Jun 6, 2020 2:37:50 GMT -5
Personally, I hate the whole "Antifa are the real fascists!" shtick. There is more to fascism than using violence for political ends. I mean, facism generally posits the notion that politics are inherently violent (so you should stab the opposition first).
Really, the dumbest part of the whole Antifa saga is that we've already traveled this road with Anonymous and apparently learned nothing. Antifa isn't an organization. It's not even a ideology, really. It's a loose set of tactics for political action and a uninspired fashion sense. It's also, as far as I can tell, not a particular popular one. There don't seem to be that many people who identify as part of 'Antifa'. The idea it can be combated in any way is moronic. The height of not paying attention. The idea they pose a real threat to the country is even more moronic. It's just a conservative boogeyman.
Al Qaeda and IS..... |
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Jun 6, 2020 3:11:00 GMT -5
I think those two terror groups do pose a threat (they are focussed on the Middle East atm, not having their former strength), that threat is just vastly overinflated for political gain. Right wing terrorism is by far the bigger threat in the US, just as it is slowly shifting there for Europe. Left wing terrorism barely exists in the US nowadays. But as the right wing terrorists are part of the 'fine people', they can't be mentioned.
Meanwhile, an expert on Antifa in the US estimated that the organisation had at most perhaps 12 members in any big US city. So in the whole country maybe about a few hundred (without any sense of organisation). That's less than some of those individual far right militia groups have. But the socialists
/commie/Muslim/Antifa is hiding under your bed story never failed to convince the gullible.
The second they actually start taking action against 'Antifa' is when they move into full blown 1984 thought crime territory.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Jun 6, 2020 4:25:34 GMT -5
It seems Esper is creating a significant rift with Trump, disarming the national guard and sending away combat troops unilaterally. Wonder if he is out by the end of the weekend. Ooof, they were just 'executing orders'? People in command structures should really be educated on the significance of that phrase. They are still employed as regular police officers scarily enough. |
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Post by tannhauser42 on Jun 6, 2020 15:12:38 GMT -5
"Just following orders" is a mentality I see a lot where I work. Some of you might recall that I've said before I work for the government. So, what we do is covered by policy, regulation, and law. But I still have coworkers and managers who think that if your superior tells you to do something, you do it, even if it's against policy. And you'll be ok to do it, because you were told to do it by a superior.
Except that's not what happens if something goes wrong and our version of internal affairs gets involved. You violated policy, so you will still fully get in trouble for violating policy. But because there aren't any recent examples of this happening within my building, all the new people just don't "get it". Agency policy is written and approved by every department at headquarters, and as long as you follow policy, no matter what happens, you have the full protection of the agency. If you do not follow policy, you forfeit that protection, and the orders of your supervisor are a flimsy paper shield at best.
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Post by hatoflords on Jun 6, 2020 16:20:32 GMT -5
I mean, facism generally posits the notion that politics are inherently violent (so you should stab the opposition first).
Really, the dumbest part of the whole Antifa saga is that we've already traveled this road with Anonymous and apparently learned nothing. Antifa isn't an organization. It's not even a ideology, really. It's a loose set of tactics for political action and a uninspired fashion sense. It's also, as far as I can tell, not a particular popular one. There don't seem to be that many people who identify as part of 'Antifa'. The idea it can be combated in any way is moronic. The height of not paying attention. The idea they pose a real threat to the country is even more moronic. It's just a conservative boogeyman.
Al Qaeda and IS..... That's just not an apt comparison.
Who leads 'Antifa'? Nobody does. There is zero authority. How is Antifa organized? It isn't. At all. How does Antifa fund it's operations? What operations and it doesn't because all Antifa is is a series of notions you can claim by throwing on some black garb and looking 'cool'. Antifa is not like Al Qaeda or ISIS. They're not even comparable to other barely organized groups like the Sovereign Citizens or the Three Percenters. Those groups actually have leadership, even if their leaders have little authority.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Jun 7, 2020 5:49:55 GMT -5
As has been mentioned previously, Anonymous is probably the closest comparable entity. It's a mask, a pseudonym that in theory anyone can don.
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Post by A Town Called Malus on Jun 7, 2020 6:04:57 GMT -5
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