CommieCanUCK
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Sept 22, 2020 11:11:27 GMT -5
Gaslight Obstruct Project
Nothing new to see here.
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Post by hatoflords on Sept 22, 2020 11:25:40 GMT -5
200 people in a crowd. One person throws a brick at a glass window. All 200 people are now "7 or more persons" and "involved in an assembly" and "cause damage to property or injury to other persons" and whoever financed the gathering is now liable for RICO charges.
Then there's the whole states' rights angle that is supposedly so important for Republicans.
The really silly part is how readily this could be turned around and how they seem to pay no attention to that.
If this were law during the Charlottesville rally, does anyone here think the GOF would advocate arresting all the neo-Nazis? I don't. Never mind that this is making assembly itself the crime.
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CommieCanUCK
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Sept 22, 2020 11:29:04 GMT -5
200 people in a crowd. One person throws a brick at a glass window. All 200 people are now "7 or more persons" and "involved in an assembly" and "cause damage to property or injury to other persons" and whoever financed the gathering is now liable for RICO charges.
Then there's the whole states' rights angle that is supposedly so important for Republicans.
The really silly part is how readily this could be turned around and how they seem to pay no attention to that.
If this were law during the Charlottesville rally, does anyone here think the GOF would advocate arresting all the neo-Nazis? I don't. Never mind that this is making assembly itself the crime.
It's their "protects but does not bind/binds but does not protect" view of law. Law is a weapon to bludgeon your perceived enemies, not safeguard society.
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Post by hatoflords on Sept 22, 2020 11:31:42 GMT -5
And you're misunderstanding, we're not touting states' rights, we're pointing out that the Republicans usually do, except when it suits you. It's bog-standard hypocrisy. Actually, for once he might have a point. It's kind of amazing how in a mere 4 years time, the tables have reversed and the Democrats are the ones who now find themselves in the position of defending 'state rights' (which I don't think has ever really been a position they've felt actually needed much defending) as the Republicans pile full in on centralized authoritarianism. That's not atypical when the GOF controls the federal government, but it's usually not so starkly apparent how the complete lack of scruples on the part of the GOF produces an incoherent back and forth on most issues. That would require reading. We all know he doesn't do that. He just injects whatever reading suits him to ignore the obvious. It's also a complete violation of the appropriations clause but that's also treating constitutionally like something the GOF cares about and we all know it isn't. That's why they have to pack the court with hacks. Actual judges keep ruling against them, even the so called textualist ones.
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CommieCanUCK
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Sept 22, 2020 11:38:59 GMT -5
Also, we glossed over the "I'll sign an EO to prevent Biden" line. That is Fascism 101, but "dEMs R DuH rEEL FacHItS u GuISe", apparently because sometimes a BLM protest results in some broken glass or some shit.
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Post by futurewarcultist on Sept 22, 2020 11:42:39 GMT -5
Also, we glossed over the "I'll sign an EO to prevent Biden" line. That is Fascism 101, but "dEMs R DuH rEEL FacHItS u GuISe", apparently because sometimes a BLM protest results in some broken glass or some shit. I rolled my eyes at that, until I realised that he’s probably 100% serious about that and if he gets the SCOTUS...
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Sept 22, 2020 11:52:13 GMT -5
Also, we glossed over the "I'll sign an EO to prevent Biden" line. That is Fascism 101, but "dEMs R DuH rEEL FacHItS u GuISe", apparently because sometimes a BLM protest results in some broken glass or some shit. I rolled my eyes at that, until I realised that he’s probably 100% serious about that and if he gets the SCOTUS... Of course he's serious. Trump doesn't joke. His own family says he has no sense of humor.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Sept 22, 2020 12:09:37 GMT -5
What are you yammering about the state's rights? Sidebar: it's now the liberals/left here in the states touting State's rights. New found respect for federalism. Last part in the image, restricting funding to anyone who advocates defunding police. Okay. Gotcha. Federalism is a thing homie. Indeed. Remember these are proposals that the legislature has to codify. It's not unconstitutional as that act isn't restricting the 1st amendment. Again, the FL legislature has to codify it when police are defunded. Let's break down that image: The new proposals include new criminal offenses, such as: What's so objectionable about this? What's so objectionable about this? What's so objectionable about this? What's so objectionable about this? Damn straight. During the Ferguson riots, we've had numerous stories about out-of-towners being paid to protest. To the point that some protesters even PROTESTED the organizer who refused to pay them! GOOD. These could be other grants/aid to the locality that has nothing to do with policing. But if locals want to defund the police, then they can fund things on their own. There's no constitutional issue here. There's no fascist tendencies here. If the protest is PEACEFUL, you don't trigger any of these.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Sept 22, 2020 12:14:10 GMT -5
If the protest is PEACEFUL, you don't trigger any of these. You are dumber than a sack of brick, Despic. Who would be part of an Iranian transitional government?
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Sept 22, 2020 12:27:00 GMT -5
Repeating peaceful like a mantra means nothing when you don't know a single guy over a block away has just turned your protest 'violent'.
The inability to see fascist tendencies is just as ridiculous as seeing 'socialism' behind every bush. Its the "I don't see color" of authoritarian excuses. Collective punishment can't be combined with democracy. Why do they need new laws, what's preventing them from arresting violent people now? Nothing at all.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Sept 22, 2020 12:29:18 GMT -5
And you're misunderstanding, we're not touting states' rights, we're pointing out that the Republicans usually do, except when it suits you. It's bog-standard hypocrisy. Actually, for once he might have a point. It's kind of amazing how in a mere 4 years time, the tables have reversed and the Democrats are the ones who now find themselves in the position of defending 'state rights' (which I don't think has ever really been a position they've felt actually needed much defending) as the Republicans pile full in on centralized authoritarianism. That's not atypical when the GOF controls the federal government, but it's usually not so starkly apparent how the complete lack of scruples on the part of the GOF produces an incoherent back and forth on most issues. You're going to have to elaborate "pile full in on centralized authoritarianism". For the record, I'm glad the Democrats are preaching State's Rights.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Sept 22, 2020 12:30:49 GMT -5
If the protest is PEACEFUL, you don't trigger any of these. You are dumber than a sack of brick, Despic. HBMC, don't be a fucking choad. Rioters and Looters are criminals you fucking Iranian ayatollah bootlicker. See the current Regime? None of them. Find someone else.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Sept 22, 2020 12:33:24 GMT -5
Repeating peaceful like a mantra means nothing when you don't know a single guy over a block away has just turned your protest 'violent'. The inability to see fascist tendencies is just as ridiculous as seeing 'socialism' behind every bush. Its the "I don't see color" of authoritarian excuses. Collective punishment can't be combined with democracy. Why do they need new laws, what's preventing them from arresting violent people now? Nothing at all. If you were peaceful, you should be fine. If the lawful order to disperse is given and you abide by it, you'd be fine. You guys are over doing this.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Sept 22, 2020 12:49:55 GMT -5
But the problem is that you can already be arrested by the letter of this proposal. And again, laws already exist for violence, the only added effect is that this is a dragnet law to lock protestors up for a while (the bail section).
Its pointless and ripe for abuse.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Sept 22, 2020 12:50:32 GMT -5
Also, all this sturm and drang over Trump replaced RGB's SCOTUS seat.
That's just tells me we have too much governance in our lives.
Or... that Congress has largely abdicated their job by either tactically letting the Executive branch's bureaucracy make laws or letting the courts to make the laws.
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