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Post by whemblycthulhu on Sept 22, 2020 12:51:39 GMT -5
But the problem is that you can already be arrested by the letter of this proposal. And again, laws already exist for violence, the only added effect is that this is a dragnet law to lock protestors up for a while (the bail section). Its pointless and ripe for abuse. I think there's some confusions on this board. These are proposals. The Florida Legislatures has to codify it. This isn't a dictate from the Government saying "make it so". There's a long process here.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Sept 22, 2020 12:54:43 GMT -5
Hence "letter of this PROPOSAL". The proposal is pointless as laws already exist, enacting it as law is ripe for abuse.
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Sept 22, 2020 13:08:01 GMT -5
If this blatantly fascistic law was in effect as written in Missouri in 2019, EVERY SINGLE Blues fan celebrating in the streets of St Louis would have been labelled a criminal.
The fact that some people are so blase about this potential law is hilarious in that it shows how fucking desperate they are for a daddy to protect them, damn the consequences. What happened to "Those who would trade liberty for safety deserve neither"?
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Sept 22, 2020 13:14:16 GMT -5
I'm guessing that saying went the way of the "well regulated militia" and dodo a long time ago.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Sept 22, 2020 13:14:29 GMT -5
This, but that's what happens when you have a shitty political system. When no compromise is possible a 2-party system breaks. Hence why proportional representation, aside from being morally superior, is better for the long-term health of democracy.
EDIT: Also, that Benjamin Franklin quote is almost always hilariously out of context. Franklin was chastising the Penn family of Pennsylvania for trying to essentially pay the governor off so they could make more money. It's not about personal privacy at all; it's about idiots undermining society to make a quick buck. Note that the full quote talks about essential Liberty and temporary Safety.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Sept 22, 2020 13:38:17 GMT -5
If this blatantly fascistic law was in effect as written in Missouri in 2019, EVERY SINGLE Blues fan celebrating in the streets of St Louis would have been labelled a criminal. What the fuck are you blabbering about. There was no violence there... I was there. So, NO had any of these were enacted in Missouri, it wouldn't have triggered. What are we trading? You're spouting nonsense because *waves hand* you just want to yammer nonsense?
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Sept 22, 2020 13:41:23 GMT -5
What is "this"? Opinion. True. But, I'd argue it isn't broken. [/div][/quote] Sure, if you want a massive US House of Representative. That wasn't me quoting that. But you're on point here.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Sept 22, 2020 13:58:14 GMT -5
"This" as in I agree that the Congress should be legislating but aren't.
It's also not merely "opinion. The weaknesses of Presidential systems (as opposed to Parliamentary systems) are well-known. Combining a (de facto) two-party system with a system where the executive branch can stall legislation inevitably leads to a dysfunctional legislature because the two parties are diametrically opposed, meaning significant legislation only gets passed when there's either overwhelming support or when the same party holds both the executive and legislative.
Contrast this to a parliamentary system where the executive is appointed by the legislative. There is thus a much lower risk of the executive fucking with the legislative's job, meaning that the legislative can make laws directly instead of having to try to do so by proxy.
The hamstringing of the Senate is by design; it's one of the "checks and balances", but it's directly responsible for the Senate's inability to legislate. It's inherent in the system, hence the system is fucked up.
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Sept 22, 2020 14:00:34 GMT -5
If this blatantly fascistic law was in effect as written in Missouri in 2019, EVERY SINGLE Blues fan celebrating in the streets of St Louis would have been labelled a criminal. What the fuck are you blabbering about. There was no violence there... I was there. So, NO had any of these were enacted in Missouri, it wouldn't have triggered. See how incredibly easy it would be to get caught up in this draconian law? YOU WERE HERE and you had NO IDEA there was criminal property damage. You didn't try and stop it, or try to leave, like you suggested up thread, because you were one person in a huge crowd, and criminalizing an ENTIRE CROWD because of the actions of a few is BLATANTLY UNDEMOCRATIC. Y'all should take a page from the leftist hellhole of Vancouver City, when they had their post Cup heartbreak riots in 2011. They used ACTUAL POLICE WORK and eventually arrested and charged 268 people for crimes committed during the riots. The law as proposed is undemocratic as anything, and I'm disappointed a lover of liberty such as yourself is defending it.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Sept 22, 2020 14:13:05 GMT -5
What the fuck are you blabbering about. There was no violence there... I was there. So, NO had any of these were enacted in Missouri, it wouldn't have triggered. See how incredibly easy it would be to get caught up in this draconian law? YOU WERE HERE and you had NO IDEA there was criminal property damage. You didn't try and stop it, or try to leave, like you suggested up thread, because you were one person in a huge crowd, and criminalizing an ENTIRE CROWD because of the actions of a few is BLATANTLY UNDEMOCRATIC. Y'all should take a page from the leftist hellhole of Vancouver City, when they had their post Cup heartbreak riots in 2011. They used ACTUAL POLICE WORK and eventually arrested and charged 268 people for crimes committed during the riots. The law as proposed is undemocratic as anything, and I'm disappointed a lover of liberty such as yourself is defending it. Holy. Fucking. Shit. That was a celebration. No one was destroying property or burning shit. Get a grip.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Sept 22, 2020 14:14:59 GMT -5
"This" as in I agree that the Congress should be legislating but aren't. Understood. Yes... yes it is. Seems like working as designed. The parliamentary system has plenty of fuckery on their own. That's a feature, not a bug in the system.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Sept 22, 2020 14:53:22 GMT -5
Choad? Rioters and Looters are criminals So that means you must prevent local government from reducing the police budget. They are allowed to increase it, but never, ever, to decrease it. Somehow. Fucking idiot. Dumb as shit. you fucking Iranian ayatollah bootlicker. What are you trying to achieve here, exactly? You want to rile me up? Make me feel bad? I mean, you HATE to discuss the actual substance of this subject, but love to make baseless attacks. Is it why you come here? So you have targets to attacks and insult? Me, I'm pretty clear about my intent: I want to get you to fuck out, because there is no possible discussion with you, you proudly profess repulsive views and a deeply immoral mindset, and reading you is annoying. So I try to make you fuck out. See the current Regime? None of them. Find someone else. Who else? If the Trump government did care about Iranians ( ) they'd be trying to help build a credible opposition. They don't. For all they care, they'd love MBS to be there. Which would be orders of magnitude worse for Iranians, but they don't care, like you don't care.
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Post by futurewarcultist on Sept 22, 2020 14:57:40 GMT -5
I rolled my eyes at that, until I realised that he’s probably 100% serious about that and if he gets the SCOTUS... Of course he's serious. Trump doesn't joke. His own family says he has no sense of humor. His humour is that of a spoilt 5 year old. It can basically be summed up as ‘you smell’ and ‘no, you’.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Sept 22, 2020 14:57:53 GMT -5
Maybe the Iranians should try to foster business deals with Jared, that seems to do the trick.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Sept 22, 2020 14:59:23 GMT -5
No, no it isn't. Merely "opinion" would imply that there's no underlying logic behind it. Even you agreed that the Senate is dysfunctional by design.
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