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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Jan 21, 2021 10:53:00 GMT -5
Wait I thought that both Trump and Biden got a record high number of votes, what do you mean? Compare the number of votes that Trump got, compared to winning Republicans in Congress.
If these two numbers had been the same, Trump would have won.
But they're not.
They suggest his actual approval rating was much lower than gallup, but it varies by region.
74 million is a large percentage of the republican voter base. How many millions of republicans voted for Biden? 1 or 2?
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Jan 21, 2021 11:25:26 GMT -5
Cherrypicking the worst and presenting it as the majority view to demonize "cancel culture" is dishonest. Then you owe Wemb an apology. You and I both know that's bullshit, and you're just deflecting from what I said. The vast majority of republicans approved of and voted for trump. Even after the failed coup hos approval rate among republicans was something like 60 to 70 percent among them.
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Post by hatoflords on Jan 21, 2021 11:37:47 GMT -5
The difference is that crazy people on the left don't get the megaphone of spineless opportunist politicians and Fox News to amplify and normalize their madness.
CNN doesn't pick up on every tin pot controversy the internet can invent. Nancy Pelosi doesn't standup on the house chamber and give it a voice it doesn't warrant because she thinks she can control crazy for political gain. This is I think a big part of why the stupid shit the right kept trying to make into something over the past year failed to materialize into anything meaningful. No one believed the Hunter Biden laptop story. It was obviously bullshit. No one believed the Tara Reade allegation. It was obviously bullshit. No one believe the story that Joe Biden was secretly doing business in China (though I'm completely unclear where the evil in that narrative was, but w/e) because the story was obviously bullshit.
The difference between Magahats and left wing crazies isn't that one is more or less crazy than the other, it's that the left has not mindless embraced insanity as a means to political power (yet). I won't be shocked when it does since the right has on a superficial level proven it works, and people on the left do the same shit people on the right did that led them to Magahats; willfully ignore crazy that falls in line with what they already think or that is inconvenient to acknowledge. There is an outrage machine that has grown in the left. There are people who are trying to take advantage of the left's proclivities and presumptions for gain. There are batshit insane people who seem to think we should go along with whatever stupid idea pops into their head, or we're evil.
So my suggestion would be to learn from the right and not dismiss crazy just because it is convenient. The right has helpfully given us a wonderful line to draw in the sand; incite violence and you're wrong. It's really easy.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Jan 21, 2021 12:09:07 GMT -5
By that metric, the great YTMND/Ebaumsworld war of 2005(?) was consequential. Well maybe it was to the guy running Ebaumsworld? I had to look that up btw. I mean cancellation is pretty hard on vulnerable people, she touch on that at 1:27:13 to 1:34:10. Anyway yeah MAGAts will say absolute bullshit about cancel culture, it's what they do about any subject, why do we even care about what they say ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ?
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Jan 21, 2021 12:11:42 GMT -5
By that metric, the great YTMND/Ebaumsworld war of 2005(?) was consequential. Well maybe it was to the guy running Ebaumsworld? I had to look that up btw. I mean cancellation is pretty hard on vulnerable people, she touch on that at 1:27:13 to 1:34:10. Anyway yeah MAGAts will say absolute bullshit about cancel culture, it's what they do about any subject, why do we even care about what they say ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ? Because non-MAGAts like Baron occasionally repeat their talking points.
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Post by hatoflords on Jan 21, 2021 12:19:43 GMT -5
That's not fair and you know it. Baron doesn't buy into any of the MAGA talking points and I think you're misreading what he's saying.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Jan 21, 2021 12:26:08 GMT -5
That's not fair and you know it. Baron doesn't buy into any of the MAGA talking points and I think you're misreading what he's saying. I did not say he believes in the majority of MAGAt shit, I said people like him occasionally repeat their talking points (like "cancel culture is pure evil")
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Jan 21, 2021 12:26:50 GMT -5
If these two numbers had been the same, Trump would have won. He wrote that "87% of Republicans approved of what Drumpf was doing." If he is true, it means that those 13 missing percent amounts to 11 million Republican votes that he lost, if I got my math right. That would have put him firmly above Biden in the popular vote, and would in all likelihood have won him the election. So what he said is consistent with Trump losing, because he is missing the support of 13% of the republican electoral base? I mean, sure, stuff is more complex, you can vote for someone without actually approving what they do because you think the alternative is worse, we cannot easily compare the support just by comparing to vote for congressmen because congressmen don't have 100% support in their party either, but I just don't see any mathematical incompatibility between the score Trump got and the idea that he got the approval and vote of 87% of the Republican electorate.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Jan 21, 2021 12:33:15 GMT -5
Because non-MAGAts like Baron occasionally repeat their talking points. The MAGAts idea of cancel culture is pants on head stupid MAGAtry. The Contrapoint idea of cancel culture about about a niche but real thing that can hurt vulnerable people. The Baron idea on cancel culture are… I don't know enough about his ideas on this to comment. From what he wrote, it's a few people being absolutely over-zealous in demanding that the entire Mandalorian show be cancelled by the network? Well, I'm going to say, unlike the vulnerable people Contrapoints talk about, the network should be able to shoulder that just fine, and let those too online people to sort out their unreasonable demands that everyone here agree are unreasonable ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Jan 21, 2021 12:59:37 GMT -5
That's absolutely not how he framed it until it was pointed out. His framing was:
And then proceeded to use a group of people I can't even find any examples of to prove it.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Jan 21, 2021 13:19:18 GMT -5
Well he is free to object to my characterization of it when he passes by.
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Post by adurot on Jan 21, 2021 13:25:44 GMT -5
Then you owe Wemb an apology. You and I both know that's bullshit, and you're just deflecting from what I said. The vast majority of republicans approved of and voted for trump. Even after the failed coup hos approval rate among republicans was something like 60 to 70 percent among them. The 87% I quoted was from a survey they took three days after the failed coup actually...
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Jan 21, 2021 14:20:39 GMT -5
You and I both know that's bullshit, and you're just deflecting from what I said. The vast majority of republicans approved of and voted for trump. Even after the failed coup hos approval rate among republicans was something like 60 to 70 percent among them. The 87% I quoted was from a survey they took three days after the failed coup actually... Oh, really? I was just going off the latest number I've heard which was like... a week ago.
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Post by tannhauser42 on Jan 21, 2021 14:45:06 GMT -5
On a lighter note, I now have to break the news to my wife of something truly horrifying (to her) that Biden has done: the Diet Coke button Trump had installed on the desk is gone now.
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Jan 21, 2021 15:03:57 GMT -5
On a lighter note, I now have to break the news to my wife of something truly horrifying (to her) that Biden has done: the Diet Coke button Trump had installed on the desk is gone now. Is this for real? It sounds like the John Mulaney bit on Mick Jagger and his Diet Coke flunky
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