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Post by A Town Called Malus on Mar 2, 2021 5:16:57 GMT -5
I would think perhaps so they can try and skew the moderation to be more like they want.
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Mar 2, 2021 10:35:53 GMT -5
Looking over the other Wasteland ETC forums and its giving off a distinct feeling of a ship burning down to the waterline, slowly drifting out of control. If we're guessing Dakka users, I would like to posit that Manchu has alternative accounts on Dakka, his attitudes towards moderation and his own behaviour seem to explain why certain parts of the boards (such as geek media) are still such shitholes of poop flinging monkeys. Probably not though, but it would be funny if it turned out to be true. I doubt it, but he was really fond of some shitposters “telling it like it is”, like Adeptus Soritos. That thread where he deleted comments about Republicans but left in “feminists are cancer” and the like was eye opening. |
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Mar 2, 2021 10:43:50 GMT -5
Would it be gauche to speculate on the Dakka identity of some ETC posters? As long as you don't speculate about the Wasteland identity of some ETC posters, I don't mind! |
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Mar 2, 2021 10:55:40 GMT -5
Looking over the other Wasteland ETC forums and its giving off a distinct feeling of a ship burning down to the waterline, slowly drifting out of control. If we're guessing Dakka users, I would like to posit that Manchu has alternative accounts on Dakka, his attitudes towards moderation and his own behaviour seem to explain why certain parts of the boards (such as geek media) are still such shitholes of poop flinging monkeys. Probably not though, but it would be funny if it turned out to be true. I doubt it, but he was really fond of some shitposters “telling it like it is”, like Adeptus Soritos. That thread where he deleted comments about Republicans but left in “feminists are cancer” and the like was eye opening. Adeptus Doritos has to be one of the poster children of the problem with Dakka's moderation. There's few posters where I'd see their name before the post and groan internally (not even whembly is on that list!) bt he's one. |
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Mar 2, 2021 11:30:24 GMT -5
I found AD to be amusing in any topic outside politics, but I’m not far removed on the shitposting spectrum. I saw few posts by Whembky outside of politics, so I can’t compare them.
And I’ll admit right now I think Manchu is a great poster who adds a lot to a (nonpolitical) thread. He’s just a bad, bad moderator.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Mar 2, 2021 11:40:28 GMT -5
Well Adeptus Doritos said some things that clearly crossed the line to me (rule 1 for me, but not for thee) but he was happily allowed to keep posting and let the comment stand. Until Manchu nuked the entire thread because pointing out that Captain America started off political by punching Nazis was too horrible.
Personally, I feel that his involvement as one of the main moderators on geek media is why you just can't have a sensible topic about (among other things) female actors anymore.
The other accounts thing was tongue in cheek, but everyone basically posts with their approval so its a bit of a wash when viewed like that.
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Post by hatoflords on Mar 2, 2021 12:15:19 GMT -5
I doubt it, but he was really fond of some shitposters “telling it like it is”, like Adeptus Soritos. That thread where he deleted comments about Republicans but left in “feminists are cancer” and the like was eye opening. Adeptus Doritos has to be one of the poster children of the problem with Dakka's moderation. There's few posters where I'd see their name before the post and groan internally (not even whembly is on that list!) bt he's one. Yeah. This is the kind of person I talk about when I say 'drive by shooter.' Don't really care what someone's opinions are when their first and foremost opinion is to be as abrasive and off putting as possible. I can't comprehend why anyone wants that to be a thing or how the exchange of ideas necessitates allowing jackass behavior. You're not going to get big and complex ideas posted in a space that allows shit posting to overtake discussions. It's not worth the effort. |
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Post by hatoflords on Mar 2, 2021 12:30:40 GMT -5
I would think perhaps so they can try and skew the moderation to be more like they want. Part of the issue is old vs new paradigms in online communities.
Manchu's attitude on moderation reflects a previous era of the internet where it was still a very big wild west, where the ability to basically say whatever you wants was considered a virtue. Today though, those spaces that continue to run that way are places like 4Chan, Twitter, Reddit, and various other sites that are mostly for shitposting. People who want degrees of conciliation and mutual respect don't stay in these spaces or they use them as outlets and shit post along with everyone else. Occasionally they've have something good sure. There's a few subs on Reddit I'm very active and serious in, but they're small subs with very narrows focuses (AskHistorians, WormFanFic, EDH).
A lot of subs, especially the political ones aren't a space where anything worthwhile gets said. It's just a shitposting space. Amusing in its own way, but not somewhere anyone talks about important issues seriously. Manchu's attitude on moderation seems stuck in the old paradigms, where everyone just said what they wanted, that was a virtue, and anyone who disagreed with it was just wrong or foolish. Thing is I get the sense Manchu and I are about the same age, have been on the internet about the same periods of time, and while Manchu has stuck to that old way of thinking of things, I've come to the opinion that it sucks. It's not a recipe for a good community. It's a recipe for misery and bad feelings.
DakkaDakka can at times feel like it's insulated from that space. It's a large forum, but with such a narrow focus that most people who are there are of similar range that they can talk about things without it becoming shit posting 90% of the time, or even 100% of the time when certain posters aren't in the thread. Politics is a different animal though. It'll bring out strong feels and an attitude of 'let people say what they want and it'll be fine' is tone deaf and out of touch. I don't get why the apparent notion is 'DakkaDakka politics didn't work, we had to ban it for being so toxic, but lets run this place like DakkaDakka politics.'
Definition of insanity, and the more that state of ETC thread went on the more I realized it's just not worth it for me. A borderline snobby board of 'enlightened idealists' living in a bubble of 'it's fine like this' and a bunch of agitators making the place toxic and unpleasant isn't a recipe for positive change. I don't really need another place to shitpost if that's my mood. I have plenty.
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Post by A Town Called Malus on Mar 2, 2021 12:31:35 GMT -5
Agreed Hats. The cult of Trump thread on ETC was making me figuratively tear my hear out (and consider physically pulling my hear out) trying to get Manchu to actually commit to a position and discuss it rather than just make some new vague insinuation.
And then when he went into the state of etc thread to ask what counted as shitposting... Sigh...
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Post by hatoflords on Mar 2, 2021 12:35:47 GMT -5
Agreed Hats. The cult of Trump thread on ETC was making me figuratively tear my hear out (and consider physically pulling my hear out) trying to get Manchu to actually commit to a position and discuss it rather than just make some new vague insinuation. The really sad thing is that it's almost perfect reflection of the current state of American politics.
You've got this whole band of 'moderates' who thing the left and right are the problem, living largely in ignorance that however imperfect and flawed the left at present might be, it's not the right and it's not the immediate problem. The fact that there are two sides and both are wrong doesn't mean they're equally wrong. One can be wronger than the other and one is so callous and abrasive it makes me think less of the 'moderates' that they insist on tolerating the behavior.
Someone who acts this way in a LGS is called 'that fing guy' and no one wants to play with them. And that's when we're just talking about a game rather than policy that can ruin people's lives.
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Post by dabbler on Mar 3, 2021 4:58:25 GMT -5
Ah Manchin, helping force the Dems to drop a nomination. At what point do the Dems go "alright, fine, but we will stop supporting your campaigns if you don't help out the party on important shit".
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Mar 3, 2021 8:56:51 GMT -5
Agreed Hats. The cult of Trump thread on ETC was making me figuratively tear my hear out (and consider physically pulling my hear out) trying to get Manchu to actually commit to a position and discuss it rather than just make some new vague insinuation. The really sad thing is that it's almost perfect reflection of the current state of American politics.
You've got this whole band of 'moderates' who thing the left and right are the problem, living largely in ignorance that however imperfect and flawed the left at present might be, it's not the right and it's not the immediate problem. The fact that there are two sides and both are wrong doesn't mean they're equally wrong. One can be wronger than the other and one is so callous and abrasive it makes me think less of the 'moderates' that they insist on tolerating the behavior.
Someone who acts this way in a LGS is called 'that fing guy' and no one wants to play with them. And that's when we're just talking about a game rather than policy that can ruin people's lives.
My favourite (and I use that word quite wrongly) people are the ones that are viscerally hostile to the notion of caring about politics at all, spouting things like "Just ignore it, politics is just BS anyway!" or "It's not like it affects you personally anyway, you'd be happier without it!" and then get mad when you point out what colossal assholes they are. |
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Post by hatoflords on Mar 3, 2021 11:16:22 GMT -5
I think it's a very specific sort of attitude. Speaking from personal experience, it's an attitude lots of disaffected whites have had. And really that's not untrue if you happen to be white. Republicans aren't a threat to white Americans the way they are to black, brown, and red Americans. It can be very easy to say "it doesn't affect you personally anyway" when it probably won't. At least, not anytime soon or overly obvious.
I sometimes get the feeling Urban blacks have the same attitude in their own way. It's not like their situation has improved much regardless of who is in charge. What's gotten them out to vote has often come down to the feeling that things will get drastically worse. At other times, when the stakes seem lower, they have a similar disaffected attitude.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Mar 3, 2021 12:18:58 GMT -5
The thing I object to is that it's a thoroughly selfish attitude. I'm not transgendered. My best mate's brother is, though. Even if I don't get affected personally by LGBTQ issues, he does. There has to be a profound lack of empathy to not see that. An inability to give a shit about the situation other people are in.
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Mar 3, 2021 13:54:38 GMT -5
There's also the inevitable in-group creep that is baked into authoritarianism. It requires an ever-increasing group of others to rally against. You're a good straight christian white boy today, but tomorrow they decided your 40k collection makes you in league with Satan, and cancel you.
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