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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Oct 17, 2023 14:27:38 GMT -5
Lol you believe that one of the most sophisticated intelligence networks in the world didn’t know the attack was coming? With testimony that Yoohoo knew? The guards were conveniently gone and the rave just happened to be moved to that location just days before and the organizer miraculously survived? They sacrificed them to justify the purge. The muslims didn’t expect the murderous response from our leaders and the jews didn’t expect blm and leftist rallies laughing openly about dead jewish rave sluts. surely this is enough to justify a ban, yeah? |
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Post by republicanpsycho on Oct 17, 2023 14:31:06 GMT -5
It was exhilarating for wolf watching Israel be decolonized. His marxoid dreams come true.
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Post by A Town Called Malus on Oct 17, 2023 14:31:46 GMT -5
Lol you believe that one of the most sophisticated intelligence networks in the world didn’t know the attack was coming? With testimony that Yoohoo knew? The guards were conveniently gone and the rave just happened to be moved to that location just days before and the organizer miraculously survived? They sacrificed them to justify the purge. The muslims didn’t expect the murderous response from our leaders and the jews didn’t expect blm and leftist rallies laughing openly about dead jewish rave sluts. surely this is enough to justify a ban, yeah? If not this, then he has a post in the EU politics thread that should probably do it. I even went to the effort of asking him what he meant, as Hordini asked us to. |
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Oct 17, 2023 14:50:36 GMT -5
Hordini surely this is enough to justify a ban, yeah? If not this, then he has a post in the EU politics thread that should probably do it. I even went to the effort of asking him what he meant, as Hordini asked us to. He probably just needs an act of kindness to make him rethink his positions. Simply asking him to not be bigoted should do it... |
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Post by Haighus on Oct 18, 2023 10:04:48 GMT -5
In other Rest of World stuff that I have been meaning to mention for a few days.
Australia had an interesting referendum about making an indigenous voices council part of the constitution. The vote was a no.
I'd be interested to hear opinions from any Aussie posters.
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Post by Hordini on Oct 18, 2023 17:27:54 GMT -5
If not this, then he has a post in the EU politics thread that should probably do it. I even went to the effort of asking him what he meant, as Hordini asked us to. He probably just needs an act of kindness to make him rethink his positions. Simply asking him to not be bigoted should do it... That's probably about as realistic as asking you to stop being a bully. |
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Post by dabbler on Oct 18, 2023 23:47:19 GMT -5
In other Rest of World stuff that I have been meaning to mention for a few days. Australia had an interesting referendum about making an indigenous voices council part of the constitution. The vote was a no. I'd be interested to hear opinions from any Aussie posters. "A no" is underselling it. Every state and territory voted no, except for our tiny little version of Washington DC. And now nothing will happen for indigenous recognition or rights for 10-20 years, they're fucked. |
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Post by herzlos on Oct 19, 2023 3:45:41 GMT -5
What's the argument against indigenous recognition?
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Post by pacific on Oct 19, 2023 8:50:54 GMT -5
Is it the situation that too much was attached in terms of implications for the 'yes' vote?
I remember chatting to an Aussie years ago about the vote for the country becoming a Republic coming back as a 'No', and he said that a lot of it was due to the Yes vote giving too much power to the government and things of that nature. Have no idea if true though as that was a discussion in a pub!
On the Israel front, been in touch with the friend of mine who lives there. They have had to leave their home in the north and go and live with family in a more central area of Israel. Basically everyone that can do so, in any industry, is ordered to work from home, and all educational institutions and schools have been closed. I assume they are trying to mitigate risk and the possibility of Hamas militia gaining access to these areas, and killing/kidnapping everyone inside. Just thought it would be interesting to post about what is happening to the 'little people' while the rest of this is going on.
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Post by dabbler on Oct 19, 2023 10:12:07 GMT -5
What's the argument against indigenous recognition? Really depends who you ask. Here are some of the common ones though, and my opinion of it (but I'm not typing out these stupid takes without giving my 2c). "It didn't go far enough". Which, given the fact a referendum not getting up kills any chance of progress, puzzles me and strikes me as more of an excuse to vote against them than an actual reason "I was undecided until on social media someone said I'd be racist if I didn't vote Yes, how rude, now I'm voting no" nah you were always voting no, you just wanted a reason to shout about it to everyone "It will give them too much power, we won't be able to dig a home without getting permission!!" A common line rolled out every time there's any millimetre gained by indigenous people in Aus, given Rio Tinto is just blowing ancient sites up wherever they want with no actual consequences, and construction still exists, it's pretty clearly wrong and racist. "I don't know enough about it, they haven't explained it to me" I.e. the "I can't use google" excuse, and if anyone tries to help them learn they usually respond with 'but I heard that....' then some Liberal bullshit line that stops just short of the above line about digging holes. Generally an excuse given by someone who doesn't want to admit they've bought into Murdoch and Liberal lies/have their own existing racial biases, but don't want to admit it. "They'll be too powerful, they should just legislate it". Every time the right wing party gets in they remove it from legislation. That's why a referendum was the eventual decision. Because they keep saying this then destroying any legislative efforts as soon as they feel it's convenient. Lastly "the referendum wasn't specific enough". It's similar to the 'I don't know enough about it' one because there was plenty of information about the limits of the powers of any potential voice (basically: total. It was just going to give recommendations, nothing enforceable), but with the ignorance shouted from the rooftop instead of being hidden behind a veil of "oh nooo I can't possibly figure it out" Very disappointed in Aus right now, they've shat the bed and ruined any chance of indigenous people closing the gap in education, healthcare, life expectancy, etc. Just really stuck the boot in the second there was a chance to maybe do something positive. |
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Post by dabbler on Oct 19, 2023 10:27:07 GMT -5
Is it the situation that too much was attached in terms of implications for the 'yes' vote? I remember chatting to an Aussie years ago about the vote for the country becoming a Republic coming back as a 'No', and he said that a lot of it was due to the Yes vote giving too much power to the government and things of that nature. Have no idea if true though as that was a discussion in a pub! The Republic vote was very different to this one, required a lot of trust they would get it right, which at the time (and even now) would be lacking as we become more and more American in our politics (in terms of 2 camps etc). This one, by the language they had written up for the constitution to add in, added no power. Just a voice. The voice only had influence if the government wanted to listen to them. But now the Liberal party don't have to ignore them and cause a fuss, they made sure the voice won't exist. Problem solved. If you run into a new Aussie at a new pub making that same argument but about this referendum? Refer to the above explanations for their logic |
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Post by carlo87 on Oct 19, 2023 10:28:39 GMT -5
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Post by pacific on Oct 19, 2023 10:29:51 GMT -5
Thanks a lot for the explanation Dabbler. It was someone I met about 24 years ago in a pub near Melbourne, quite possible that the memory has blurred somewhat!
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Post by redchimera on Oct 19, 2023 10:36:32 GMT -5
Is it the situation that too much was attached in terms of implications for the 'yes' vote? I remember chatting to an Aussie years ago about the vote for the country becoming a Republic coming back as a 'No', and he said that a lot of it was due to the Yes vote giving too much power to the government and things of that nature. Have no idea if true though as that was a discussion in a pub! The Republic vote was very different to this one, required a lot of trust they would get it right, which at the time (and even now) would be lacking as we become more and more American in our politics (in terms of 2 camps etc). This one, by the language they had written up for the constitution to add in, added no power. Just a voice. The voice only had influence if the government wanted to listen to them. But now the Liberal party don't have to ignore them and cause a fuss, they made sure the voice won't exist. Problem solved. If you run into a new Aussie at a new pub making that same argument but about this referendum? Refer to the above explanations for their logic The idea of President Paul Keating was just a step to far... |
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Post by dabbler on Oct 19, 2023 13:09:00 GMT -5
Thanks a lot for the explanation Dabbler. It was someone I met about 24 years ago in a pub near Melbourne, quite possible that the memory has blurred somewhat! Oh no I meant to say they had a somewhat decent point about the referendum thing for that one. Just this is a different kettle of fish, different topic, different etc etc |
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