Gun Control (becasue it gets buried in other politics)

[adurot]

Maybe? You reposting the url just embeds the Twitter link in my view again.

[herzlos]

So I see. That does at least explain why I see a lot of empty messages from you, but at least I know how to get them now.

[adurot]

It’s a feature I super love on proboards, and something I really missed on Etc, but yeah it would kind of suck if it doesn’t work for you. I’ll try to remember to paste a line broken link in along with the working one.

[herzlos]

It sounds like a great feature, but yeah all I get is what looks like an empty post.

It works with MS Edge but not Firefox, so it's probably a security setting. If I can figure out my password I may just change browser.

[Hordini]

May 8, 2023 2:15:51 GMT -5 herzlos said:

May 7, 2023 18:42:15 GMT -5 Hordini said:

It is used in reference to armed civilians due to the 2A. It's not limited to armed civilians. Nobody reasonable who is saying "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" is actually arguing that only armed civilians can stop active shooters.

Why is it almost always used in conjunction with trying to arm civilians, then?

That's a good question. I think it's probably because police who are on duty (and in some cases off duty) are already allowed to carry in a lot of places that are considered "gun free zones" for everyone else, including civilian concealed carry license holders (which in turn translates to mostly defenseless targets for those wanting to do harm). Allowing concealed carry license holders to carry in those places would be the quickest way to increase the potential number of armed defenders without having to train and pay for more police officers (which also has the potential to bring its own set of additional problems, depending on the context).

[herzlos]

But if you allow concealed carry holders (even in states with permitless concealed carry?) you introduce legal guns and provide a justification for having a gun there. Remember that what every mass shooter is completely legal and part of the "well regulated militia" right up until the point they start shooting, and at that point it's too late.

If all guns are illegal in a space, then you can arrest someone for having a gun there *before* they start shooting, and actually save lives.

Introducing more guns may help bring down the shooter, assuming the good guy with gun is suitably trained and in the right place, but it's likely you'd just introduce more confusion. After hearing shots in a mall, you draw your gun and run out, you see a guy with a gun - is he the good guy or the bad guy?

How do the cops know who to shoot if a good guy has a gun drawn when they pull up?

[Disciple of Fate]

This sounds like a lot of wishful thinking. It has gone from more money to police, to armed guards to simply more guns, while the incident rate has only gone up.

[herzlos]

May 15, 2023 2:52:13 GMT -5 Disciple of Fate said:

This sounds like a lot of wishful thinking. It has gone from more money to police, to armed guards to simply more guns, while the incident rate has only gone up.

If you're a hammer, then everything looks like a nail.

You can't admit that more guns won't solve the problem without admitting that guns are the problem.

[easye]

If only three people were killed by a gunman in New Mexico and he roamed a neighborhood shooting randomly, do we have to reset the clock?

I think a Mass Shooting definition is 4+ people killed not including the gunman? Since only three died in New Mexico we can save up our thoughts and prayers for when a "real" Mass Shooting happens right?

....At this point, I don't even know if this is sarcasm.....

[bobtheinquisitor]

I’m in a similar boat. When I heard about the shooting my first thought was “Farmington? That’s where they’ve got all those tire stores.”

[easye]

www.npr.org/2023/05/16/1176371460/sonic-employee-shooting-texas

A 12-year-old is charged with murder in the shooting of a Sonic restaurant employee

A 12-year-old is charged with murder in the shooting of a Sonic restaurant employee in Texas last weekend, according to police.

Matthew Davis, 32, admonished Angel Gomez, 20, for being disorderly in the parking lot of the Keene, Texas, restaurant at about 9:40 p.m. last Saturday. A physical altercation ensued, then the juvenile suspect, who is unnamed because they are a minor, allegedly shot Davis multiple times from the back seat of Gomez's vehicle, the Keene Police Department said.

Davis was transported to the hospital, where he died.

An armed society is a polite society....

[adurot]

What they needed was a good guy with a gun to stop them.

[easye]

Gun deaths hit their highest level ever in 2021, with 1 person dead every 11 minutes

www.npr.org/2023/06/06/1180416892/gun-deaths-in-2021

Gun deaths in the United States reached an all-time high in 2021 for the second year in a row, with firearms violence the single leading cause of death for children and young adults, according to a new study released by Johns Hopkins University.

The annual study, which relies on data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, reported a total of 48,830 Americans lost their lives to gun violence in 2021. The latest data works out to one gun death every 11 minutes, according U.S. Gun Violence in 2021: An Accounting of a Public Health Crisis.

The report found 26,328 suicides involving a firearm took place in 2021 and 20,958 homicides. The gun suicide rate represented an 8.3% increase from 2020 — the largest one-year increase in more than four decades. The gun homicide rate was up 7.6%.

Further, the gun homicide rate rose 45% from 2019 to 2021, while the rate for homicides not involving a gun rose just 7% in the same period. Likewise, while the rate of suicides by firearm increased 10% over the same period, it was down 8% when looking at suicides by other means.

[Haighus]

Grim reading.

[easye]

A mass shooting, but at least not a mass homicide......

At least 23 shot, 1 fatally, during a Juneteenth celebration near Chicago

www.npr.org/2023/06/18/1182998529/chicago-suburb-mass-shooting-willowbrook-illinois

At least one person was killed and 22 others were wounded after gunfire erupted during a Juneteenth celebration in a Chicago suburb on Sunday just after midnight.

Officials said the celebration started around 6:00 p.m. local time, and police were in the area monitoring the scene.

Around 12:25 a.m. local time, police officers in Willowbrook, Ill., responded to sounds of gunshots coming from the parking lot of a strip mall, the DuPage County Sheriff's Office said in a statement on Sunday afternoon.

"A peaceful gathering in celebration of Juneteenth turned suddenly violent last night," the sheriff's office added.

Officials said multiple weapons fired multiple rounds into the crowd. No suspects have been arrested and police are still investigating the motive for the attack. Detectives are still in the process of interviewing all the victims and witnesses, as well as reviewing camera footage from the area.

adurot- I bow to your knowledge on if it is time to reset the clock or not.