grog
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Mar 9, 2023 13:21:20 GMT -5
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Post by grog on Mar 9, 2023 13:21:20 GMT -5
The mrna gives you immunity for zero years and only lessens symptoms for what, a few months? Or until a new variant shows up. Meanwhile people who’ve had a natural immune response dont have to worry about reinfection, heart damage, etc.
Also vaccines, produce sterile immunity, meaning you cannot harbor the virus, while with mrna you are still infected and transmitting it around. This is evolutionary pressure that produces new variants. Take the vax, get infected without immunity, variant mutates, take a new vax, get reinfected, repeat.
This totally undermines the entire basis for mandates and lockdowns btw. There cannot be a public health argument for something that doesn’t protect from covid transmission to the public lol. All of this information was widely available from the beginning and people still took the experimental big pharma therapy with zero liability, it was pure fear and for a disease with only a marginal chance of death for the healthy, I’d be scared now if I took any shots. Deaths up across the board.
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Mar 9, 2023 13:37:10 GMT -5
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Mar 9, 2023 13:37:10 GMT -5
Across what board? Any reputable outlet to point us to?
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Post by Haighus on Mar 9, 2023 13:51:27 GMT -5
The mrna gives you immunity for zero years and only lessens symptoms for what, a few months? Or until a new variant shows up. Meanwhile people who’ve had a natural immune response dont have to worry about reinfection, heart damage, etc. Yes, they do. The natural immunity wanes very fast too (at a similar rate) and people with natural immunity can be reinfected the same as those whohave been vaccinated. I first caught COVID before any vaccines were developed and I have been reinfected. COVID does not cause durable immune responses in general, it is a virus good at evading the immune system. The vaccines do provide protection against new variants, but the degree of protection varies. Immunity is frankly not a great term, as really it is resistance, and can be weakened by all kinds of factors. For example, chickenpox generally causes very high immunity to future infections, but if the person becomes immunosuppressed (from, say, a period of chronic high stress) the chickenpox can reactivate as shingles because the immune system is not able to control it properly. Immunology is really complex. Loads of vaccines don't completely protect against the target infection. TB for example- doesn't make them useless. The influenza vaccine being the main one. Wait... are you saying vaccines increase deaths? Because that is straight bullshit, vaccinated individuals are far less likely to die than unvaccinated individuals. COVID can kill healthy people, it can also cause long-term disability in healthy people of all ages. It doesn't commonly kill young healthy people, but does kill older healthy people. It is vicious to people with underlying health conditions, which is a massive amount of people- many of these people would have lived considerably longer if they didn't catch COVID. This virus is a big deal, and personally I don't think we should just shrug and let older people and those unwell die in huge numbers whilst loads of folk become disabled... Especially when the worst health outcomes are much less likely with a simple injection with low side effects. Eh, maybe you are ok with mass early deaths in the community if you are personally ok. I think that is a disgusting position myself.
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Post by maddocgrotsnik on Mar 9, 2023 13:51:48 GMT -5
Sources please. Citations please.
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Haighus
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Post by Haighus on Mar 9, 2023 14:04:02 GMT -5
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Post by maddocgrotsnik on Mar 9, 2023 14:37:21 GMT -5
Sorry, wasn’t meaning you! Was meant for grog. And it’s the third time of asking.
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Post by Haighus on Mar 9, 2023 14:40:42 GMT -5
Sorry, wasn’t meaning you! Was meant for grog. And it’s the third time of asking. I figured as much. But practice what you preach and all that.
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Post by maddocgrotsnik on Mar 9, 2023 14:42:48 GMT -5
Very true!
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Mar 9, 2023 19:40:57 GMT -5
The mrna gives you immunity for zero years and only lessens symptoms for what, a few months? Or until a new variant shows up. Meanwhile people who’ve had a natural immune response dont have to worry about reinfection, heart damage, etc. On my forum, we can ban people for bad faith posting when they post blatantly untrue information with no sources. Just saying ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
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Post by Peregrine on Mar 9, 2023 19:52:40 GMT -5
The mrna gives you immunity for zero years and only lessens symptoms for what, a few months? Or until a new variant shows up. Meanwhile people who’ve had a natural immune response dont have to worry about reinfection, heart damage, etc. On my forum, we can ban people for bad faith posting when they post blatantly untrue information with no sources. Just saying ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Nah, got to leave the punching bag up for a bit, it's far more entertaining that way.
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Post by adurot on Mar 9, 2023 20:17:43 GMT -5
On my forum, we can ban people for bad faith posting when they post blatantly untrue information with no sources. Just saying ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Nah, got to leave the punching bag up for a bit, it's far more entertaining that way. It’s really not.
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Post by steelmage99 on Mar 9, 2023 21:11:38 GMT -5
Normal vaccines, actual vaccines, are a weakened form of the disease and train your body to fight it the same way as having been infected; that’s durable, broad immunity that lasts. The normal infection fighting process. The mrna is a totally different substance with a different purpose, it temporarily lessens symptoms. That’s it, no immunity. You still get covid while you are vaccinated and after the efficacy wears off you get reinfected anyway. You shouldn't speak on vaccines, grog. You clearly do not have the necessary knowledge and understanding.
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grog
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Mar 9, 2023 23:28:45 GMT -5
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Post by grog on Mar 9, 2023 23:28:45 GMT -5
>sources
By people that signed DEI statements? Paid for by who? I heard the “studies” say eggs are bad again lol. I’ll never believe liars who get their credentials from the authorities pushing this and other absurdities.
My source is the definition of mrna treatment which they changed the definition of vaccination to retrospectively include. The old definition read “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease”, they removed the word immunity and replaced it with protection.
The mrna is a substance that makes your cellular machinery produce a thing; not a vaccine or a drug. Actual vaccines do not tamper with your biology they only stimulate the natural immune response.
So for the hard of understanding: -The mrna tenporarily protects only you, nobody else. -Covid isn’t dangerous to the healthy. -Therefore you aren’t protecting grandma by taking it, only screwing yourself.
Can any of you explain how it would end the pandemic? Remember that’s what they said, CDC, WHO, Fauci, etc. If you actually still believe them, then be sure to take the next barrage of boosters lmao. I’m not taking that shit, there is some irony in corporate cheerleaders killing “dying suddenly” from their master’s poison.
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Post by Peregrine on Mar 10, 2023 0:17:32 GMT -5
My source is the definition of mrna treatment which they changed the definition of vaccination to retrospectively include. The old definition read “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease”, they removed the word immunity and replaced it with protection. You do understand that vaccines have never produced literal 100% immunity, right? You do understand that the point of the mRNA vaccine's "tampering" is to stimulate the natural immune response, right? That, once it hijacks some cells to produce the practice targets for your immune system, the process of obtaining protection against the real infection works exactly as it does with a dead virus vaccine? Utter nonsense. PS: the flu isn't very dangerous to the healthy but a whole lot of healthy people still get flu shots every year because getting sick sucks even when it doesn't kill you. How exactly are you "screwing yourself" by reducing the severity of an infection? Even if we take your claim that the vaccine does nothing to prevent transmission as fact for purposes of discussion it's utter lunacy to argue that you're somehow hurting yourself by getting it. Well yes, we know you're an idiot who listens to tinfoil hat conspiracy theories and doesn't understand basic science. Fortunately for the rest of us simply screaming LOLOLOLOL POISON doesn't make it fact.
It won't, not at this point. There was reason for hope earlier as the vaccine was more effective at preventing transmission against the original virus than it is against the variants but we're well past the point where covid is too abundant in the world for us to ever get rid of it. What the vaccine can do is reduce transmission rates, greatly reduce the rate of severe illness and the strain on our health care system, and bring the covid threat down to the level of flu season. Which is still something of immense value.
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Post by Haighus on Mar 10, 2023 4:04:46 GMT -5
>sources By people that signed DEI statements? Paid for by who? I heard the “studies” say eggs are bad again lol. I’ll never believe liars who get their credentials from the authorities pushing this and other absurdities. What the hell is a DEI statement? You can see the funding of those papers, they are declared... The ones showing reduced transmission were funded by Public Health England, an organisation dedicated to generating improved health at a population level. They don't have any interest in making money for big pharma, only in improving health.
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