Haighus
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Post by Haighus on Feb 28, 2024 5:59:31 GMT -5
Even if Trump dies with the nomination, I can't imagine the hardline maga wing will accept Haley, what is her chance for an impromptu selection in the case of a Trump demise, the base seems far more likely to accept DeSantis or someone outside the (by then finished) primaries. Judging on what has happened so far, I would say there is every chance that Trump dies and is still selected as the Republican candidate. Admittedly, Trump's mummified corpse sitting in the Oval Office would probably do less harm than any of the Republican candidates (including living Trump) actually getting elected.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Feb 28, 2024 8:52:32 GMT -5
Can't elect a dead person though, so they would still need to make a decision on who gets it.
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Post by easye on Feb 28, 2024 12:51:50 GMT -5
Michigan primary in the books.... www.npr.org/2024/02/27/1233968408/trump-haley-biden-michigan-primary-uncommitted-2024-electionThe "Uncommitted" group trying to send a message about Palestine to Joe got about 30K results. Overall, uncommitted in the D primary was 13%. I doubt many of these people will NOT vote for Biden in the general though. Meanwhile, on the Trump side; he won again by 30 points. However, Haley continues to get votes. 68% to 26%. Amusingly, DeSantis got 1.2% still. The big question is still if Haley voters will fall in line and vote for Trump in November.
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Post by dabbler on Feb 28, 2024 13:03:51 GMT -5
Michigan primary in the books.... www.npr.org/2024/02/27/1233968408/trump-haley-biden-michigan-primary-uncommitted-2024-electionThe "Uncommitted" group trying to send a message about Palestine to Joe got about 30K results. Overall, uncommitted in the D primary was 13%. I doubt many of these people will NOT vote for Biden in the general though. Meanwhile, on the Trump side; he won again by 30 points. However, Haley continues to get votes. 68% to 26%. Amusingly, DeSantis got 1.2% still. The big question is still if Haley voters will fall in line and vote for Trump in November. I can see the Haley voters going to Trump far more reliably than I can see Dem voters sticking with Biden, rather I see them throwing their toys out of the pram and then spending the next 4 years bemoaning a second Trump presidency after their state flipped because of the tantrum
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Feb 28, 2024 13:05:37 GMT -5
I get their hesitation, but anyone saying they won't ever vote for Biden again over this, should read up on how Stalin's opposition/refusal to foreign communist parties working with other left-wing socialists worked out for the German communists in the 1930's.
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Post by easye on Feb 28, 2024 14:21:57 GMT -5
If they think Trump will work behind the scenes at all to negotiate a cease-fire in Palestinian interests, well.... I have a bridge to sell them in Brooklyn.
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Post by adurot on Feb 28, 2024 15:32:14 GMT -5
Can't elect a dead person though, so they would still need to make a decision on who gets it. He’s not really dead, that’s Fake News. He has merely moved behind the scenes to outmaneuver the Deep State Cannibal Leftists. When the time is right he and JFK Jr will reveal themselves to the world again.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Feb 28, 2024 15:42:42 GMT -5
As dumb as they probably are to do this, Trump having to take the oath of office in person makes the more official part impossible, so the RNC needs a warm body.
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Post by Peregrine on Feb 28, 2024 17:30:12 GMT -5
I can see the Haley voters going to Trump far more reliably than I can see Dem voters sticking with Biden, rather I see them throwing their toys out of the pram and then spending the next 4 years bemoaning a second Trump presidency after their state flipped because of the tantrum
Honestly I think it's the opposite. If you're a Haley voter you're voting for her because you're a moderate republican (so far as such a thing exists at all) and recognize Trump as a demented pedophile running purely to keep his scams going. And your alternative is a centrist democrat who you may not quite be willing to vote for but certainly doesn't scare you enough that you won't stay home on election day. If you're an anti-Biden voter you're doing it primarily to try to send a message to Biden and push him in a particular policy direction, and you're doing it knowing the primary is a zero-stakes vote because Biden is guaranteed to be the nominee. You know your alternative is far worse than even Biden's current position, both on the issues you care about in general and on the Gaza issue you're making a protest vote over. Not all of the anti-Biden votes will fall in line in November, certainly some of them have bought into the Russian propaganda about voting third party or whatever, but I think most of them will understand the situation and pick the lesser of two evils.
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Post by adurot on Feb 28, 2024 19:55:41 GMT -5
As dumb as they probably are to do this, Trump having to take the oath of office in person makes the more official part impossible, so the RNC needs a warm body. Is that Actually a requirement in definitive writing, or just a thing they’ve always done?
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Post by Peregrine on Feb 28, 2024 21:04:01 GMT -5
As dumb as they probably are to do this, Trump having to take the oath of office in person makes the more official part impossible, so the RNC needs a warm body. Is that Actually a requirement in definitive writing, or just a thing they’ve always done?
In Trump logic, no. Outside the realm of lunacy yes. The oath of office is the formal means by which a president takes office and I don't think you'll find any court that will seriously consider the argument that a corpse can do so.
The actual outcome of Trump dying before inauguration day but too late to be removed from ballots before the election would be that if Trump won his VP would take his place and the normal chain of succession would be followed from there.
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skyth
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Post by skyth on Mar 4, 2024 10:37:20 GMT -5
Well, the Supreme Court put Trump back on the ballot. Apparently only Congress can implement the 14th Amendment.
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Haighus
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Post by Haighus on Mar 4, 2024 10:50:02 GMT -5
Well, the Supreme Court put Trump back on the ballot. Apparently only Congress can implement the 14th Amendment. Unsurprising result. Not the approach I expected though. As it happens, I both think Trump shouldn't be standing for re-election AND think it was a fairly poor strategy by democrats overall to try to sink Trump in the courts rather than offering something for the people of the US. Or even just shouting about the genuinely surprising amount of good stuff Biden has pushed through that he is weirdly quiet about. Biden has appointed a similar number of judges as Trump, for example (not SC judges of course...).
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Post by easye on Mar 4, 2024 11:07:12 GMT -5
The Dems have been offering plenty of stuff to the people of the US in the Inflation Reduction Act and Infrastructure Act. You know, things the Republicans are taking credit for..... while simultaneously claiming they are making everything worse. Regarding the ruling: Interesting that the Majority justices think only Congress can act to strike candidates off the ballot. State's Rights seems to have been forgotten by the "Conservative" judges.... again. Edit: If you want to read more: www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/supreme-court-opinion-trump-ballot-03-04-24/index.html
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Post by carlo87 on Mar 4, 2024 17:33:16 GMT -5
The Dems have been offering plenty of stuff to the people of the US in the Inflation Reduction Act and Infrastructure Act. You know, things the Republicans are taking credit for..... while simultaneously claiming they are making everything worse. Regarding the ruling: Interesting that the Majority justices think only Congress can act to strike candidates off the ballot. State's Rights seems to have been forgotten by the "Conservative" judges.... again. Edit: If you want to read more: www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/supreme-court-opinion-trump-ballot-03-04-24/index.htmlWasn't this a unanimous decision? With all 9 Justices in agreement, I'm a bit confused on how you are laying this at the feet of the Conservative side like it's their cross to bear. States are free to run their own elections how they see fit, how they run Federal election though isn't totally up to them.
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