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Post by Peregrine on Jul 23, 2024 16:44:07 GMT -5
Given the election is in November, guess it kinda had to be? It had to be for it to be successful. There was still the concern that the party would be divided on who to pick and it wouldn't be resolved until the convention, possibly after an ugly fight and/or controversial ruling by party leadership. The fact that a decisive majority of the delegates have immediately backed Harris without any dispute is a very good thing. What are thoughts within the US about how Harris might represent women with respect to Abortion/Reproductive rights? She'll do well, she's at least as good as the standard party line on those issues and certainly isn't going to lose any votes over them. But I don't think it will have a huge impact beyond what we've already seen in 2022 and the special elections. The voters who prioritize those issues were largely already voting for Biden because Biden and the democrats have been very clear about supporting them.
The first (black) woman thing may be a bigger factor. It probably won't swing many votes but it could be a factor in driving higher turnout for democrats if people are excited about making that historic event happen. We saw that with Obama and we could see it again.
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Post by herzlos on Jul 23, 2024 16:54:55 GMT -5
I know Trump did mention that he wanted to have a debate with FOX moderating it... I think that's the only way he's going to come off 'favourably'. It's a good move though because Harris is stuck either accepting a totally biased debate, or look bad by refusing. Though whether she'll look bad to anyone rational is up for debate.
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Post by nfe on Jul 24, 2024 4:01:14 GMT -5
Fair play I expected it to be a backbiting shambles but that's been a slick pivot to Harris.
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Post by A Town Called Malus on Jul 24, 2024 4:26:01 GMT -5
I know Trump did mention that he wanted to have a debate with FOX moderating it... I think that's the only way he's going to come off 'favourably'. It's a good move though because Harris is stuck either accepting a totally biased debate, or look bad by refusing. Though whether she'll look bad to anyone rational is up for debate. Eh, Harris can just say "No, we will have the debate on ABC, as previously agreed." Ball is instantly back in Trump's court and it highlights how he is the one asking for a change of venue.
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Post by skyth on Jul 24, 2024 7:52:38 GMT -5
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Post by easye on Jul 25, 2024 9:37:51 GMT -5
Not a lot of coverage of last night's Presidential Address. The media has all ready moved on from Biden and to Harris/Trump. I expected the media to crow about their successful pushing a President to retire much more than they have. www.npr.org/2024/07/25/g-s1-12556/biden-presidency-oval-office-legacy-history-trump-harris-democracy4 takeaways from President Biden’s Oval Office addressHere are the 4 take-aways from NPR: 1. Biden tried to send the message that no one person is bigger than the country — and that what America stands for is at stake. 2. Biden desperately wants to be seen as a uniter, but that’s been a struggle for him as president — and maybe one of his biggest personal disappointments. 3. This is the start of a review of Biden’s legacy — and that views of it may take a long time to set in 4. After seeing Harris for a few days, the contrast with Biden is clear
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Post by pacific on Jul 25, 2024 10:10:45 GMT -5
I am reading about a lot of buzz on social media* that Harris could be energising the young and ethnic vote in a way not seen since 2008, and commentary about their being a gathering excitement about her. I really hope that is the case.
Certainly some of the Republican attacks are coming across as quite disparate (already seeing 'Birther 2.0' comments about her parents immigration status disqualifying her from running for President). Think even Trump's pet name ('Lyin Kamala') falling well short of his previous efforts, 'Meatball Ron' and 'Sleepy Joe'. And now also some rhetoric around Vance not being seen as a good choice for VP.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Jul 25, 2024 10:41:06 GMT -5
Should be taking bets on how long it will take before the media reports he's calling her the N word in private.
Also, Vance is a horrible person who might even be more misogynistic than Trump, as impressive as that is. So, hopefully, the combo decimates the GoP's women vote.
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Post by easye on Jul 25, 2024 11:20:41 GMT -5
Did anyone even SEE the last night of the RNC. They were definitely all in on the white man vote. I mean, Hulk Hogan and the UFC Chairman as keynote speakers?
What... the.... actual..... Feth?
Being misogynistic is just giving red meat to their base and trying to drive engagement to get out and vote to those white men the Rs need to win.
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Post by herzlos on Jul 25, 2024 12:44:56 GMT -5
I am reading about a lot of buzz on social media* that Harris could be energising the young and ethnic vote in a way not seen since 2008, and commentary about their being a gathering excitement about her. I really hope that is the case. I'm following her on TikTok at it's pretty interesting. The last message I'd seen was a clip of Trump complaining about convicted felons and office and flipping to her saying "Kamala endorses this message!". What's also interesting is that the messaging is around Kamala and not Harris, which seems more personable especially with the youth.
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Post by easye on Jul 25, 2024 15:24:33 GMT -5
My friend just sent over a poll that showed "youth" voters 60% Harris and 40% Biden.
Not sure how they managed to poll any "youth" or how many of the "youth" polled will actually mange to actually vote.
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Post by crispy78 on Jul 27, 2024 9:08:41 GMT -5
Errr... What? www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/27/trump-speech-no-need-to-vote-future“Christians, get out and vote! Just this time – you won’t have to do it any more,” the Republican former president said on Friday night at a rally hosted in West Palm Beach, Florida, by the far-right advocacy group Turning Point Action. “You know what? It’ll be fixed! It’ll be fine. You won’t have to vote any more, my beautiful Christians.”
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Jul 27, 2024 9:43:57 GMT -5
Wow wow wow, how dare Trump imply that Trump is a danger to democracy! Doesn't Trump know that saying things like that gets Trump shot? Disgusting rethoric!
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Jul 27, 2024 11:12:12 GMT -5
Jesus, is that a terrifying thing for a presidential candidate to say.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Jul 27, 2024 14:33:10 GMT -5
The most charitable take I can conjure is that he only thinks he needs to win once to "fix" the country, so that there won't be a need to vote in future elections because America will be "great" again, whatever that means. Considering this would be an absolutely ludicrous statement to make for many reasons I think it's pretty telling that this is the charitable take.
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