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Post by easye on Sept 10, 2024 9:50:25 GMT -5
Big debate tonight. Anyone watching, and what are you looking for?
I am interested to see if Trump's "Gish Gallop of Lies" technique continues to be successful and uncalled. I am also interested to see two other things:
1. Will Trump stalk, harass, and shout from the sidelines the same way he did Hilary and Biden without anyone calling him out?
2. Will Trump's age and cognitive decline be touched on as much as it was for Biden?
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Post by adurot on Sept 10, 2024 10:27:42 GMT -5
Trump will lie out his ass incoherently as usual, the debate will be judged entirely on how Kamala stands up to or responds to him. I believe they’ve got podiums and muted mics, so there’s at least that.
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Post by herzlos on Sept 10, 2024 10:46:05 GMT -5
I thought Kamala was pushing for them to not be muted at any point? Presumably to prevent Trumps aides from preventing embarrassing himself as badly. But I guess if she did that she'd never get to speak.
I'm definitely not watching it live but I'm sure the recaps will be fascinating.
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Sept 10, 2024 11:23:36 GMT -5
It’s way too stressful to me to watch live. I fully expect brutal double standards and for the muted mikes to obscure the shut Trump spews while Kamala is talking to throw her off, making her come across worse to the audience than she should.
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Post by easye on Sept 10, 2024 11:47:58 GMT -5
I am still waiting for people to realize Trump is old and hear about it in the media all day, everyday the way Biden heard about it.
I expect I will be waiting until the heat death of the universe.
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Post by mdgv2 on Sept 10, 2024 13:08:09 GMT -5
Which channel is hosting?
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Post by easye on Sept 10, 2024 14:33:39 GMT -5
ABC News which is operated by Disney.
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Sept 10, 2024 23:02:33 GMT -5
Two things just happened:
1. Kamala won the debate.
2. Taylor Swift just endorsed Kamala Harris.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Sept 11, 2024 1:27:49 GMT -5
That almost couldn't have gone better, Trump blundered into every little piece of bait thrown out.
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Post by mdgv2 on Sept 11, 2024 2:16:25 GMT -5
BBC reporting that Harris successfully kept Trump off message, getting him to massage his ego rather than address anything useful.
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Post by herzlos on Sept 11, 2024 2:49:04 GMT -5
The bit where she encouraged people to attend his rally was spectacular. He diverted from a question about border security (his favorite subject) to go on the defensive about how his rallies are the best are Kamala only has attendees that she pays.
It won't make the blindest bit of difference to the MAGAs though, who I'm sure will be crowing on about how he won.
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Post by mdgv2 on Sept 11, 2024 2:56:21 GMT -5
I guess a chunk of the tactic is to show every that’s not Maga that Trump has no ideas, and is purely ego and self aggrandising. Given its seemingly swing voters that determine, that seems a solid tactic. Especially as one assumes it will show just how utterly incapable of being taken seriously on the world stage he is.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Sept 11, 2024 3:13:21 GMT -5
Looking at r/conservative, even they seem to admit that Trump lost and didn't debate well, but they also think that the moderation was insanely biased.
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Post by Peregrine on Sept 11, 2024 3:24:20 GMT -5
Looking at r/conservative, even they seem to admit that Trump lost and didn't debate well, but they also think that the moderation was insanely biased. Give it a few more hours and they'll figure out what the "Trump won" spin is and go back to business as usual, banning anyone who doesn't agree with the cult. It's what they always do.
As for the debate, I'm glad it seems like the coverage is mostly acknowledging that Trump lost instead of trying to hype up the fact that he didn't literally fall over dead on stage as a win by exceeding expectations.
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Post by herzlos on Sept 11, 2024 4:19:44 GMT -5
I guess a chunk of the tactic is to show every that’s not Maga that Trump has no ideas, and is purely ego and self aggrandising. Given its seemingly swing voters that determine, that seems a solid tactic. Especially as one assumes it will show just how utterly incapable of being taken seriously on the world stage he is. I'm not convinced there are actually that many undecided/swing voters, because you'd have to be deep in the MAGA camp to think he's capable. My suspicion is that a lot of the undecided/centrists are just quiet conservatives. But then I don't think I've seen one that doesn't only seem to have MAGA views.
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