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Post by easye on Mar 8, 2023 13:32:52 GMT -5
I think the jury is still out on how exactly to approach China on the foreign stage. Are they a new Cold War style rival, a Regional Power-player, a rising Great Power looking for a shot at the title, ally and trading partner, economic rival, a country on the brink of implosion, or some of all of those depending on the way the mandate of heaven of blowing? What is your view of China in the next few years? Let's use this thread to talk about China. In the news today is this story: Germany moves toward restrictions on Huawei, as Europe sours on China
www.npr.org/2023/03/08/1154315168/germany-china-huawei-restrictions |
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Mar 8, 2023 14:39:30 GMT -5
a country on the brink of implosion Clearly not that one imho. |
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Mar 8, 2023 16:00:33 GMT -5
ASML, one of the largest manufacturers of chip fabrication machines, has also received export restrictions from the Dutch government after talks with the US.
Clearly the attempt will be to slow down China enough and hope that their demographic crisis will catch up to them before the CCP does something really stupid.
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Post by easye on Mar 8, 2023 16:28:21 GMT -5
a country on the brink of implosion Clearly not that one imho. There has been a lot of chatter about the Demographic explosion, and if the Chinese economy has any serious issues the underlying inequality in China (ethnic, religious, class) could implode the government as we currently know it. Evidence of this is the reaction to the COVID policies, older Chinese protests about their money, slowing factory hiring, the sabre-rattling over Taiwan, and ramping up anti-American rhetoric from the government. The last two are classic moves by a Authoritarian state trying to divert unrest outward, and the others are clear signs of internal pressures. |
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Post by pacific on Mar 9, 2023 7:25:15 GMT -5
I definitely think China is worth a trip if you get the chance. I have often read about Berlin at the end of the industrial revolution, and it perfectly encapsulating a world in transition - horse-drawn carriages and people in Victorian-era dress while the first automobiles smoke their way along the same roads and zeppelin fly overhead. It must have been an impressive thing to see. My thoughts are that China is kind of in the same place now in terms of a transition; the agrarian, traditional society combining with mag-lev trains, Beijing is an architect's playground and has to be seen to be believed. It's a remarkable discord.
And it's a hard thing to say objectively as someone in the west, but I honestly think the centre of world power (and perhaps even soft power too) are heading eastward. Science, technology, industry, economy, everything I have read is that they are on the verge (if not already ahead) in those sectors. Militarily no and China (with the exception of Taiwan) has not displayed imperialistic tendancies, and that's the case historically too. I think there is a decline of Empire in the West, first of Europe and the UK, perhaps now the US (although they are still very much the 'hammer') and that gives us a level of ego and feeling of dominance that the Chinese very much do not recognise.
I definitely think they have some major challenges ahead. The aging demographic already mentioned (which is quite incredible in terms of swing) is one but also the movement towards authoritarianism. We've already seen in Russia how this can strangle every aspect of a country's development and if Xi continues on his path there is every possibility that it could spell doom for the CCP and the future prosperity of the country, it will be interesting how it develops.
I always think of UK presenter Jeremy Clarkson's comment on his trip there as part of one of his motoring shows, looking at one city of 7 million (I can't even remember the name) that has come about as part of the country lifting over 500 million people into a 'middle class', his words were "we are so screwed". Time will tell if his words were prophetic!
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Mar 9, 2023 7:49:04 GMT -5
China has always displayed imperialistic tendencies though. Xinjiang, Tibet and the South China Sea are just the recent examples under the state led by the CCP. Their PR machines has just been incredibly effective in trying to make people believe that all of it is 'China', but the borders are just as arbitrary as that of the former Soviet Union for example. Han Chinese cultural imperialism is an even worse threat that is basically bringing on cultural genocide in many of the regions that aren't 'China' (in that sense). China in its current form is still an empire, the colonizers just happen to be a much larger group than the colonized.
At the economic rate India will quickly surpass China, because they don't have the demographic crisis. We just need to hope that India will overcome the current authoritarian tendencies. They will be a large economy, but in the future just one of many (the EU is massive if taken as a single block too), we just need to untangle many unnecessary economic interests for our own security.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Mar 9, 2023 8:03:31 GMT -5
the EU is massive if taken as a single block too We really need better integration inside the EU so we can become stronger on an international stage. |
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Post by easye on Mar 9, 2023 10:18:59 GMT -5
What make sit hard to judge China's rise to power is that you can't really take anything it claims at face value.
It is hard to objectively verify how powerful they really are.
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Post by maddocgrotsnik on Mar 9, 2023 11:06:49 GMT -5
What make sit hard to judge China's rise to power is that you can't really take anything it claims at face value. It is hard to objectively verify how powerful they really are. Just like Trump! |
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Mar 9, 2023 11:29:15 GMT -5
What make sit hard to judge China's rise to power is that you can't really take anything it claims at face value. It is hard to objectively verify how powerful they really are. But objective power is hard to grasp anyway. The US is the strongest country in the world when it comes to economic (through say sanctions) or military power. Yet the US isn't infrequently on the losing/not achieving what it wants side when trying to wield either as a weapon. |
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Post by grog on Mar 13, 2023 0:34:22 GMT -5
You are already at war with China economically and in every other avenue other than ballistic. If you understand Chinese history you’ll know that physical war is very un-Chinese; they subvert, follow the path, death by a thousand cuts. Let me give you a quick rundown.
There are thousand year old accounts of Chinese warlords going to war over eunuchs, they have applied the same concept to hybid psyop warfare, to make Americans eunuchs(trannies). This hasn’t played out how they wanted because most eunuchs are Hispanics and Africans by percentage.
Fast foward to the Mexican-American War, peace treaty grants all Aztlan civilians “White” census category. Gendered linguistic nouns are part of the Latin language, so the academia begins to show clear separation between sex and gender. The Anglicized neutral ethinic identifier of “latinx” is made forbpreparations to eject Hispanic from the “White” category.
China saw this as a vector for dialectical hysteria without understanding which segments of the population it can work against, the result? Hispanics are being turned into eunuchs.
This enters speculation now. In 2020 the US military SOF deployed its MISBs, ended the hybrid regime and regained the orchestra of social hysteria, conpleting the transitiin to military giverment. Hard power and control replaces soft power and legalism.
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Post by Peregrine on Mar 13, 2023 0:48:40 GMT -5
to make Americans eunuchs(trannies). Yes, because the what, 1% of the population that is transgender is definitely going to offset the massive disadvantages China has in everything except sheer population numbers. You do understand that population size is not even remotely a weakness for the US, right?
Also, it's a hilarious self-own given the fact that out and transitioning transgender people are far more likely to be on the left than on the Christian right. So your theory is that China's plan to weaken the US is to get rid of the left via reduced birth rates, leaving people like you behind. I'll grant that a nation of people like you would definitely be a much weaker target but I'm not sure you thought this one through very well.
Oh look, an idiot who doesn't understand the difference between grammatical gender and masculinity/femininity. I'm not sure which is dumber, your inability to understand language or your bizarre idea that the Mexican-American war had anything to do with modern China. PS: nobody uses "latinx" other than a handful of people on tumblr circlejerking over how progressive they are. Sorry, this is word salad. Can you explain this in a more coherent form? |
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Post by grog on Mar 13, 2023 1:09:32 GMT -5
peregrineI’m sure you’re very familiar with tumblr. We were made for each other, pol-schizo and overfed, under fucked femcel in tumblr-land. If I were British you’d be the fat American I’d marry for citizenship to escape from London.
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Post by Peregrine on Mar 13, 2023 1:12:58 GMT -5
peregrine I’m sure you’re very familiar with tumblr. We were made for each other, pol-schizo and overfed, under fucked femcel in tumblr-land. If I were British you’d be the fat American I’d marry for citizenship to escape from London.
Sorry, I have standards.
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Post by mrmystic on Mar 13, 2023 2:20:08 GMT -5
You are already at war with China economically and in every other avenue other than ballistic. If you understand Chinese history you’ll know that physical war is very un-Chinese; they subvert, follow the path, death by a thousand cuts. Let me give you a quick rundown. There are thousand year old accounts of Chinese warlords going to war over eunuchs, they have applied the same concept to hybid psyop warfare, to make Americans eunuchs(trannies). This hasn’t played out how they wanted because most eunuchs are Hispanics and Africans by percentage. Fast foward to the Mexican-American War, peace treaty grants all Aztlan civilians “White” census category. Gendered linguistic nouns are part of the Latin language, so the academia begins to show clear separation between sex and gender. The Anglicized neutral ethinic identifier of “latinx” is made forbpreparations to eject Hispanic from the “White” category. China saw this as a vector for dialectical hysteria without understanding which segments of the population it can work against, the result? Hispanics are being turned into eunuchs. This enters speculation now. In 2020 the US military SOF deployed its MISBs, ended the hybrid regime and regained the orchestra of social hysteria, conpleting the transitiin to military giverment. Hard power and control replaces soft power and legalism. That's one of the genuinely funniest things I've read this week. Mate, your head must be a fucking spec-tac-ular place to live. Makes me think of Orlanth and his belief that he's the Chosen One of God for the incoming Age of Resurrection or whatever it was. I love me a good lunatic zealot buried in the masses every once in a while, they make everything so much more entertaining. Also helps you to remember that even if other normal people elsewhere on on the political spectrum disagree with you, at least they're not the total doughnuts they -could- potentially be. Every forum should have a resident foaming black piller/vegan/communist/trans rights activist/Nazi/Catholic/whatever. It's great for lending perspective as to how fucked up and dystopian the world could be. ----------------------------------------------------------------- As to China, ask a dozen people, get a dozen answers. To me, they're strikingly reminiscent of 1906 Germany in a lot of ways, from the ranting about the 'place in the Sun' and attempting to build power abroad, through to the constant militarising and creation of opposing power blocs in their deluded attempts to 'secure' their position. I just hope it doesn't end up the same way. |
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