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Post by Hordini on Oct 15, 2023 16:35:28 GMT -5
It actually is because it's one more hoop they have to jump through every time to do it. It means it's more and more annoying for them everytime, especially if you delete all their posts so there's no reaction that they want. You are one of the ones who reacts the most often and the most strongly. If you are this concerned about it, why do you always give him the reaction that he wants?
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Oct 15, 2023 16:52:57 GMT -5
It actually is because it's one more hoop they have to jump through every time to do it. It means it's more and more annoying for them everytime, especially if you delete all their posts so there's no reaction that they want. You are one of the ones who reacts the most often and the most strongly. If you are this concerned about it, why do you always give him the reaction that he wants? No, I'm actually not. Most of my replys to them specifically are pinging you so you can easily find and ban them. I'm not engaging with them, and I'm not trying to refute their points.
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Post by Hordini on Oct 15, 2023 17:37:22 GMT -5
You are one of the ones who reacts the most often and the most strongly. If you are this concerned about it, why do you always give him the reaction that he wants? No, I'm actually not. Most of my replys to them specifically are pinging you so you can easily find and ban them. I'm not engaging with them, and I'm not trying to refute their points. It's still giving him a reaction. Maybe you should try engaging with him and refuting his points sometime.
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Post by mdgv2 on Oct 15, 2023 17:42:05 GMT -5
What’s to refute? He talks out his arse, and never offers any kind of supporting evidence.
When he’s linked to refuting evidence, he just jumps to another thread.
You cannot engage with a dishonest person. Ever. And this isn’t difference of opinion or interpretation of information. This is just mindless bigotry for the sake of mindless bigotry.
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Post by Hordini on Oct 15, 2023 17:45:51 GMT -5
What’s to refute? He talks out his arse, and never offers any kind of supporting evidence. When he’s linked to refuting evidence, he just jumps to another thread. You cannot engage with a dishonest person. Ever. And this isn’t difference of opinion or interpretation of information. This is just mindless bigotry for the sake of mindless bigotry. He did post at least one link potentially worthy of discussion in the book banning thread.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Oct 15, 2023 18:07:35 GMT -5
No, I'm actually not. Most of my replys to them specifically are pinging you so you can easily find and ban them. I'm not engaging with them, and I'm not trying to refute their points. It's still giving him a reaction. Maybe you should try engaging with him and refuting his points sometime. We have. Many many times, and every single time they ignore it or just flat-out lie. The fact you think people haven't tried engaging with grog is actually kind of mind-boggling because people have been doing it for years, since before ETC. All the way back on dakka I believe.
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Post by Hordini on Oct 15, 2023 18:17:24 GMT -5
It's still giving him a reaction. Maybe you should try engaging with him and refuting his points sometime. We have. Many many times, and every single time they ignore it or just flat-out lie. The fact you think people haven't tried engaging with grog is actually kind of mind-boggling because people have been doing it for years, since before ETC. All the way back on dakka I believe. Have you ever done it in a way that wasn't inflammatory or condescending? Since before ETC is news to me. What is/was his username on Dakka? There is a grog there but it doesn't appear to be the same person.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Oct 15, 2023 18:38:02 GMT -5
We have. Many many times, and every single time they ignore it or just flat-out lie. The fact you think people haven't tried engaging with grog is actually kind of mind-boggling because people have been doing it for years, since before ETC. All the way back on dakka I believe. Have you ever done it in a way that wasn't inflammatory or condescending? Since before ETC is news to me. What is/was his username on Dakka? There is a grog there but it doesn't appear to be the same person. So, you really have ignored everything then, huh? Go back and read all the responses to grog and every single one of their sockpuppets. Plenty of people tried everything, from civilly refuting their points to calling them names, all of which got the same type of response. Their name on dakka was Grey something, eminence maybe? They were the last person RiTides banned before handing over the forum (sort of...) to someone else.
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Post by Hordini on Oct 15, 2023 19:04:05 GMT -5
Have you ever done it in a way that wasn't inflammatory or condescending? Since before ETC is news to me. What is/was his username on Dakka? There is a grog there but it doesn't appear to be the same person. So, you really have ignored everything then, huh? Go back and read all the responses to grog and every single one of their sockpuppets. Plenty of people tried everything, from civilly refuting their points to calling them names, all of which got the same type of response. Their name on dakka was Grey something, eminence maybe? They were the last person RiTides banned before handing over the forum (sort of...) to someone else. I didn't say other people haven't responded civilly. I asked if you have ever responded in a way that wasn't inflammatory or condescending. Do you have an example of you doing so? Let's be honest, your behavior here has been that of a classless bully since the beginning. One of your earliest contributions to this forum was a thread specifically intended to bully another member. It's pretty gross, looking back on it.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Oct 15, 2023 19:09:25 GMT -5
So, you really have ignored everything then, huh? Go back and read all the responses to grog and every single one of their sockpuppets. Plenty of people tried everything, from civilly refuting their points to calling them names, all of which got the same type of response. Their name on dakka was Grey something, eminence maybe? They were the last person RiTides banned before handing over the forum (sort of...) to someone else. I didn't say other people haven't responded civilly. I asked if you have ever responded in a way that wasn't inflammatory or condescending. Do you have an example of you doing so? Let's be honest, your behavior here has been that of a classless bully since the beginning. One of your earliest contributions to this forum was a thread specifically intended to bully another member. It's pretty gross, looking back on it. So first, whembly basically challenged me to find instances of their bad faith. And let's not forget what a deplorable shitbag they were either. They were responsible for a lot of the toxicity in the politics thread on dakka. And before you ask, yes, people responded to them civilly. As for grey? Yes, multiple times, but I (and most others) gave up when it was clear they were just being a racist troll. An example? I dunno offhand what remains, and I don't really care to delve through the myriad of racist/homophobic/xenophobic postings they made here, on dakka, and attempting to use the wayback machine to dig through ETC with very limited functionality.
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Post by Hordini on Oct 15, 2023 19:45:06 GMT -5
I didn't say other people haven't responded civilly. I asked if you have ever responded in a way that wasn't inflammatory or condescending. Do you have an example of you doing so? Let's be honest, your behavior here has been that of a classless bully since the beginning. One of your earliest contributions to this forum was a thread specifically intended to bully another member. It's pretty gross, looking back on it. So first, whembly basically challenged me to find instances of their bad faith. And let's not forget what a deplorable shitbag they were either. They were responsible for a lot of the toxicity in the politics thread on dakka. And before you ask, yes, people responded to them civilly. As for grey? Yes, multiple times, but I (and most others) gave up when it was clear they were just being a racist troll. An example? I dunno offhand what remains, and I don't really care to delve through the myriad of racist/homophobic/xenophobic postings they made here, on dakka, and attempting to use the wayback machine to dig through ETC with very limited functionality. You can justify it however you want. I'm aware that you and many others didn't see eye to eye with him. It's still a thread that was created to bully someone. Does bullying become acceptable, as long as enough people don't like the person being bullied? Do you think you might have had any responsibility for the toxicity as well, either before or since? Did creating that thread do anything to improve the level of toxicity? As for the example, that's fine. I'll take your word for it. I don't blame you for not wanting to delve into it.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Oct 15, 2023 20:02:53 GMT -5
I think you're trying to force the definition of bullying onto that thread is pretty heavyhanded. Whembly had declared he'd gladly confront and take on anyone who could provide examples of his bad faith. I did so back when I thought he could, you know, be talked to like a normal rational person. Like you'd suggest we all do. His response was about two or three posts insisting he's never engaged in bad faith, then editing all his posts with a meme. I don't think it's bullying anymore than asking for people like grog to be banned in order to deny them a platform to spread their hate.
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Oct 15, 2023 22:52:22 GMT -5
It's still giving him a reaction. Maybe you should try engaging with him and refuting his points sometime. We have. Many many times, and every single time they ignore it or just flat-out lie. The fact you think people haven't tried engaging with grog is actually kind of mind-boggling because people have been doing it for years, since before ETC. All the way back on dakka I believe. Who was Grig on Dakka?
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Oct 15, 2023 23:08:43 GMT -5
Due to my own history, I want to believe a lot of posters like RP* can be reached. I don’t think the best way to reach them is necessary hammering them with facts, although I appreciate your facility with informative links. Reading helps children learn empathy because they spend some time seeing the world from another’s perspective; similarly I believe engaging other posters with personal (or even second hand) narratives can engage them emotionally in a way that has more impact than slamming sources at them. Even if they are not completely converted over night, giving them the sense that other people have reasons for what they believe makes it harder to otherize them.
And for every RP posting, there might be a dozen lurkers who just aren’t sure what to think. calm, level discussion is more convincing to third parties than emotionally charged rhetoric no matter how true or untrue the content, so unfortunately the logic smackdown can be counterproductive.
*Something RP posted reminded me of something QAR posted, almost word for word, and I’m pretty sure they aren’t the same person. Maybe there’s some small group of likeminded posters keeping a torch aflame for us.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Oct 16, 2023 0:40:31 GMT -5
We have. Many many times, and every single time they ignore it or just flat-out lie. The fact you think people haven't tried engaging with grog is actually kind of mind-boggling because people have been doing it for years, since before ETC. All the way back on dakka I believe. Who was Grig on Dakka? Grey eminence on dakka
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