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Post by PenguinDude on Sept 18, 2008 20:56:34 GMT -5
I've been in shock for a few days now. 10 trillion in current debt... 54 trillion in possible/delayed debt. I think Ron Paul's small government dream will happen, but not in a logical way. Money will stop working, and the country will end. Fuck it all, it's too late. Im gonna go get laid PS. Found it for ya: english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2008/09/200891610018124347.html |
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Post by McMMMNNNMMM on Sept 18, 2008 21:20:30 GMT -5
When you guys mention Ron Paul, are we talking about the guy who (according to wikipedia  ): "calls himself "strongly pro-life",[166] "an unshakable foe of abortion",[167]" "advocates withdrawing U.S. participation and funding from organizations he believes override American sovereignty, such as the United Nations, the International Criminal Court, the Law of the Sea Treaty, the WTO, NATO, and the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America." (And NAFTA?!?) "held that climate change is not a "major problem threatening civilization". He declined to name any particular environmental heroes and affirmed no special environmental achievements other than his educating the people about free-market solutions rather than "government expenditures and special-interest politics"." A lot of his positions I can agree with (and sounds better than some of the alternatives), but some of this seems kind of offputting to me. |
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Post by PenguinDude on Sept 18, 2008 21:29:27 GMT -5
""calls himself "strongly pro-life",[166] "an unshakable foe of abortion",[167]""
He and I disagree there, but he also would not ban abortion. He thinks it's a state issue. And I think it's a non issue.
"advocates withdrawing U.S. participation and funding from organizations he believes override American sovereignty, such as the United Nations, the International Criminal Court, the Law of the Sea Treaty, the WTO, NATO, and the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America"
This one Im not even sure where I stand, but it's not right with him, but it's also not with how we are now, but somewhere right in between. He doesn't like NAFTA because it's not free ENOUGH trade. 20,000 pages of regulations is free?
"held that climate change is not a "major problem threatening civilization". He declined to name any particular environmental heroes and affirmed no special environmental achievements other than his educating the people about free-market solutions rather than "government expenditures and special-interest politics"
But he's the only one with a real solution. If someone dumps garbage on your lawn, it's a crime. If someone dumps garbage into your air, it should be a crime too. Do what you want, as long as it doesnt affect others without their wish.
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Post by McMMMNNNMMM on Sept 18, 2008 22:03:25 GMT -5
This one Im not even sure where I stand, but it's not right with him, but it's also not with how we are now, but somewhere right in between. He doesn't like NAFTA because it's not free ENOUGH trade. 20,000 pages of regulations is free? You guys would be fucking insane to mess around with your current trade/protection systems. Renegotiate that shit, I dare ya. ;D The U.S. and admittedly Canada have both benefitted alot from our trade agreements, but if it goes, Canada will go in with a far stronger position. And srsly, withdrawing from the Laws of the Seas? Or the International Criminal Court or the UN? That's the fucking craziest isolationist shit I've heard in a while. Sure international diplomacy may be limited in effectiveness, but I'm pretty sure it has it's uses.. As for the environment, I still don't get it? Is he not saying that let the market sort it out as people start seeing the economic costs from a freemarket? That's pretty godawful. Even the Republicans are more proactive. |
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Post by PenguinDude on Sept 18, 2008 22:28:08 GMT -5
Littering is illegal, is what he's saying, even if it's a major corporation on a large scale.
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Post by Glaive Company CO on Sept 18, 2008 22:50:03 GMT -5
Is this guy in Metalica or somethig?
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Post by takedown275 on Sept 18, 2008 22:53:45 GMT -5
And big daddy government won't let that happen. They keep rescuing us when we don't need to and just prolonging the cycle of fucktardliness. Consider the current mortgage crisis..... The govt wont let the companies fail. They essentially reward the bad behavior by cleaning up the mess. Maybe if Countrywide and a few others actually fail then the market will self-correct. Big daddy needs to learn to allow the free-market to be free. Isn't that what the republicans are supposed to be believe in? If you want less govt and fewer taxes vote ron paul. ender502 The problem is that we live in a global economy. Markets don't self-correct in the current environment, they just relocate. America goes to shit and all the money will just pick up and leave. The bail-out keeps our financial industry solvent so that corporations will be less inclined to take their holdings elsewhere. The alternative would have been much like the great depression, only far worse. The free market had its chance, and gave us the great depression as a result. |
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Post by Elusive71 on Sept 19, 2008 10:50:46 GMT -5
Is this guy in Metalica or somethig? If he was, that would probably be the only way I could like post-80s Metallica any less. Ron Paul is brilliant in the way that he reeled in the youth support, especially the young hipster crowd. Somehow he managed to blind them from the fact that some of his policies ran totally counter to their ideologies, although I suppose many would just argue, "Yeah that's his opinion, but Congress would never let it happen". IMHO fuck him. |
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Post by Just Lorek on Sept 19, 2008 10:55:10 GMT -5
Wait, we're still talking about Palin?
Shit.
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Post by kostka malpa on Sept 19, 2008 12:29:24 GMT -5
Wait, we're still talking about Palin? Shit. I watched about 2 seconds yesterday of her Poofyhead interview and she sounded like Obama. Just replace Hope/Change with Reform. I did laugh at them hammering each other over the economy. Obama pointing fingers when he has the people who looted fannie mae running his campaign and McCain calling for oversite when he signed onto all the deregulations and had the main force starting the trust the foxs in the henhouse as his financial guide. Fuck Everyone should write in Kinky Friedman or my new favourite politician running locally in Alabama Dick Twinkle. |
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Post by ender502 on Sept 19, 2008 12:39:18 GMT -5
Both the candidates suck. As far as I can see one just sucks a little less than the other.
Miniature American flags indeed.
The only sensible thing to do is to vote your interest. If you are rich or a social conservative vote for McCain. If you want Universal healthcare and higher taxes on the rich than vote Obama. If you want lower taxes and less government... I guess you should vote Barr.
This is all too depressing for words.
I guess I could slam the Republicans at this point because we now see the end result of less regulation and lower taxes.... But that would be like playng a retarded kid basketball and calling him for double dribbling.
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Post by kostka malpa on Sept 19, 2008 13:19:18 GMT -5
No thanks, I still have the horrible memory of being stuck in a yellow station wagon for 5 hours waiting for gas when I was 3.
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Post by PenguinDude on Sept 19, 2008 14:41:34 GMT -5
Is this guy in Metalica or somethig? If he was, that would probably be the only way I could like post-80s Metallica any less. Ron Paul is brilliant in the way that he reeled in the youth support, especially the young hipster crowd. Somehow he managed to blind them from the fact that some of his policies ran totally counter to their ideologies, although I suppose many would just argue, "Yeah that's his opinion, but Congress would never let it happen". IMHO fuck him. Ron Paul is a punk rocker, not a metal head. But he's not hipster at all, i don't know where you get that. He did NOTHING to reel in the college crowd, they (I) found him by going to his website to make fun of "that crazy guy in the debate", only to find he was actually brilliant. I know you probably wont (I hold out hope though, you're good people), but I recommend you read his book. It really makes clear how his ideas on less government/less handouts actually helps those who are currently getting them now in the long run. Also, the fact that every cut he'd make would be slow and in phases, everyone would benefit every step of the way. He's a strong proponent of teaching fishing, not giving out fish. But in all seriousness, don't judge his policies till you've read his book. His public speaking skills are a bit lacking, but his book makes it quite clear. |
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Post by McMMMNNNMMM on Sept 19, 2008 15:36:57 GMT -5
Yeah, that's on my to do list right after L Ron Hubbard's policies. I'm with Elusive..it's the most impressive viral marketing/whitewashing I've seen in a while.. |
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Post by PenguinDude on Sept 19, 2008 15:52:15 GMT -5
Yeah, that's on my to do list right after L Ron Hubbard's policies. I'm with Elusive..it's the most impressive viral marketing/whitewashing I've seen in a while.. Sci fi writer = respected 8 term congressman? I dunno. I hate how you guys make assumptions before you actually look into things. |
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