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Post by pacific on May 4, 2023 8:02:21 GMT -5
Absolute fucking insanity.
Like an episode of Black Mirror or the Twilight Zone, but I think people have been living as part of the nightmare for so long now that they don't realise how utterly insane it is.
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Post by easye on May 5, 2023 10:39:26 GMT -5
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Post by Disciple of Fate on May 5, 2023 11:26:57 GMT -5
The immediately politicized the tragedy by wanting to enact laws to prevent this in the future, such a lack of empathy.
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Post by adurot on May 6, 2023 22:54:31 GMT -5
Reset The Clock!
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Post by maddocgrotsnik on May 7, 2023 4:28:41 GMT -5
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on May 7, 2023 9:32:50 GMT -5
Come on. You don’t expect there to be even one guy with a gun in a whole Texas mall, do you? |
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Post by Hordini on May 7, 2023 12:24:34 GMT -5
He was stopped by a police officer with a gun, so it's not zero (and it's not zero anyway). |
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on May 7, 2023 12:35:04 GMT -5
Police officer with a gun is not the same as “a good guy with a gun”. Kind of the opposite, since Gun control advocates’ point is that civilians carrying guns don’t stop mass shootings, only trained professionals.
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Post by Hordini on May 7, 2023 12:47:03 GMT -5
Police officer with a gun is not the same as “a good guy with a gun”. Kind of the opposite, since Gun control advocates’ point is that civilians carrying guns don’t stop mass shootings, only trained professionals. Both non-police civilians and trained professionals have stopped mass shootings, and being a non-police civilian doesn't mean the person doesn't have training. There are plenty of non-police civilians who have as much or more training than the average civilian police officer. "Good guy with a gun" is holistic and includes all "good guys," including police officers. |
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Post by Disciple of Fate on May 7, 2023 13:23:11 GMT -5
Looking from the outside (of America) in, good guy with a gun means civilian to me, not (on-duty) law enforcement.
Good guy with a gun is heavily leaning into 2nd ammendment support rethoric, but armed law enforcment and the second ammendment have nothing to do with each other.
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Post by adurot on May 7, 2023 14:13:22 GMT -5
“Good guy with a gun” is absolutely referring to random civilian bystanders, not on duty police officers.
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Post by maddocgrotsnik on May 7, 2023 14:27:24 GMT -5
He was stopped by a police officer with a gun, so it's not zero (and it's not zero anyway). Ending is not the same as preventing, as the fuckwitted insist a Single Good Guy With A Gun would do. Not an attack on your good self. |
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Post by Hordini on May 7, 2023 17:29:45 GMT -5
Looking from the outside (of America) in, good guy with a gun means civilian to me, not (on-duty) law enforcement. Good guy with a gun is heavily leaning into 2nd ammendment support rethoric, but armed law enforcment and the second ammendment have nothing to do with each other. “Good guy with a gun” is absolutely referring to random civilian bystanders, not on duty police officers. It's referring to both. I agree with you Disciple of Fate that armed law enforcement and the second amendment have nothing to do with each other and that the "good guy with a gun" argument is often used by 2A supporters, but it's not exclusively referring to armed non-LE civilians. It is not limited to police officers but it doesn't exclude them either. |
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Post by Hordini on May 7, 2023 17:31:21 GMT -5
He was stopped by a police officer with a gun, so it's not zero (and it's not zero anyway). Ending is not the same as preventing, as the fuckwitted insist a Single Good Guy With A Gun would do. Not an attack on your good self. I agree with you completely that ending is not the same as preventing, and I agree that certainly only the fuckwitted would insist a single good guy with a gun would be enough to prevent a shooting. |
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Post by skyth on May 7, 2023 18:05:35 GMT -5
Sorry, but 'Good guy with a gun' is referring to just civilians. It's a bit dishonest to try to say it's something else just because it fits the narrative in this case. It's always used in reference to armed civilians due to the 2A.
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