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Post by Rygoth on Apr 8, 2019 23:25:51 GMT -5
Sorry bro, I agree with Whembly on this one. It's a horrible law.
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Apr 9, 2019 10:48:10 GMT -5
No need to apologize. Unless you are a fellow Canuck? I don't know another way of writing a law that would allow persons close to a potential shooter to quickly disarm them and get them evaluated though. Or, like dusa says, we could drop the pretense and say "A non-zero number of dead kids every week is the price I'm willing to pay to have my unfettered gun rights".
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Post by Rygoth on Apr 9, 2019 11:35:32 GMT -5
I guess in my mind, you don't disarm them, you go with the already established law and have them committed for help if they are in that deep. Get them help through a qualified mental health professional etc. There are also flaws with this approach but I feel it has less chance for malicious use against someone.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Apr 9, 2019 15:14:22 GMT -5
I guess in my mind, you don't disarm them, you go with the already established law and have them committed for help if they are in that deep. Get them help through a qualified mental health professional etc. There are also flaws with this approach but I feel it has less chance for malicious use against someone. The ironic thing about the Parkland shooting...was that you didn't need these types of red flag laws to disarm that shooter. He broke numerous laws in the years past that would've made him a "prohibited possessor" had he tried to legally acquire firearms. But, to your point, there are resources for mental help and the like...however, to commit them against their will is really, really difficult. I'm not sure how to fix that exactly, but its worth discussing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 16:26:30 GMT -5
No need to apologize. Unless you are a fellow Canuck? I don't know another way of writing a law that would allow persons close to a potential shooter to quickly disarm them and get them evaluated though. Or, like dusa says, we could drop the pretense and say "A non-zero number of dead kids every week is the price I'm willing to pay to have my unfettered gun rights". Let's be realistic, we say that all the time when it advances the national interest in any other way.
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Apr 9, 2019 16:41:01 GMT -5
Yeah, true. How about a non-zero number of dead American kids then?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 8:48:12 GMT -5
Yeah, true. How about a non-zero number of dead American kids then? Again, no dice. The number of Americans that have been sacrificed to Trump's environmental policies alone makes gun deaths look positively child friendly.
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Post by Hordini on Apr 21, 2019 2:58:24 GMT -5
Nevermind.
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Post by Hordini on Apr 21, 2019 3:10:47 GMT -5
The first politician that just admits that dead kids in schools are an acceptable price to pay for our gun rights gets my respect. It’s what everyone is thinking anyway. It seems like there must be a way to improve the situation without severely limiting gun rights. The US has always been loaded with guns, but the frequency of school shootings seems to be increasing (or at least it's getting covered more). The wide availability of guns however, isn't a recent development. In some ways, guns used to be even more widespread than they are now, in the sense that more households had at least one gun, rather than the situation now where we have larger numbers of guns owned by fewer households.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 9:44:57 GMT -5
Well... schools are a specific targets have been on the rise because the media covers them more. These assholes arn't particularly bright, they see that the one asshole got famous, and they copy that. And it works.
Originally they used guns and fires, then they used guns and bombs, now they just use guns. Once the media gets bored with gun violence, they'll move on to poison gas or something. This has been the trend all the way back to 1780.
And for those who complain that the founding fathers could not have known, I remind all that Roger Sherman, who is the only man to have signed the Continental Association, the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution, was also the judge in the trial of Barnett Davenport, America's first mass murderer, before he went off to the Constitutional Convention. So, I'm going to say that he was very aware.
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Post by dusa on Apr 27, 2019 21:01:28 GMT -5
So what the fuck is happening with the NRA right now. Maybe they are finally imploding?
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Apr 28, 2019 9:28:14 GMT -5
So what the fuck is happening with the NRA right now. Maybe they are finally imploding? Could you elaborate? I haven't seen anything, but I'm also not American.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Apr 28, 2019 9:49:18 GMT -5
So what the fuck is happening with the NRA right now. Maybe they are finally imploding? Could you elaborate? I haven't seen anything, but I'm also not American. Leadership fight. Looks like Oliie North lost and leaving, instead of Wayne Lappeirre.
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Post by dusa on Apr 28, 2019 17:46:21 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 18:20:16 GMT -5
Don't worry, something else will take it's place if it does.
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