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Post by Peregrine on Sept 12, 2024 5:30:30 GMT -5
Yep. Anyone who thinks a "businessman" with a list of failed businesses as long as Trump's will be good for the economy is either a low-information voter, a moron, or a billionaire.
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Post by Haighus on Sept 12, 2024 6:01:27 GMT -5
Normally I'd agree with that, but Trump has been in the news cycle more or less constantly for nearly 10 years now. I'd imagine apart from the absolutely no information voters (don't watch TV, don't read newspapers, don't talk politics to anyone) must have heard enough to form some kind of opinion. Of course that opinion could be "I don't care, they all suck". Trump has been in the news, sure, but seeing someone in the news doesn't necessarily mean forming a useful opinion. They see Trump in the news with people hating him, they see Trump in the news with people praising him, they shrug and change the channel to go watch commentary on last night's football game. This is part of why I hate the media and how they handle Trump like a normal politician. The front page headline is "Trump criticized for nuking Wyoming because its resident was mean to Trump on twitter, but could this provide new opportunities for the weapons industry? Also, is Biden too old to properly nuke his enemies?" instead of "WTF you morons how are you still taking this clown seriously". If you don't dig beyond the surface it all looks like business as usual where it's all just noise and there's no point in paying attention until the debate (and even then only barely).
Would an undecided or low information voter even watch the debate at all, or just rely on their news channel of choice to tell them who won with some carefully selected highlights? Often yes. It's one of those Traditional American Political Things™. I am struck by how US politics seems to be particularly weird and tribal. UK politics has the same broad issue of two main parties with FPTP, but voters in general seem to be more receptive to narratives around specific issues rather than turnout amongst voting blocks being the chief deciding factor. For example, a lot of formerly Labour voters shifted to the Tories and/or Reform over concerns about immigration, whilst the Tories have actually lost a significant chunk of support to the Lib Dems and Greens due to their environmental policies. US politics (at the national level) is just oddly ossified and locked in.
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Post by easye on Sept 12, 2024 8:44:31 GMT -5
I am amazed that in the time between the R convention and the D Convention, you folks had an election and changed government.
That made me a bit envious.
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Post by herzlos on Sept 12, 2024 9:15:19 GMT -5
I keep forgetting that the election cycle for you guys takes what, a full 18 months though in reality never really stops? I get that it's a big country and a lot of places to visit on campaign, but we don't really do that either.
Edit: I think it's more that we run elections on a per county basis and the PM sort of comes along with that; the party with most elected MP's gets to choose the PM. So whilst the leaders may do some campaigning at a national level, most of the local stuff is covered by the local candidates. Realistically people vote based on party most of the time anyway though, so maybe it's a distinction without a difference.
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Post by mdgv2 on Sept 12, 2024 9:21:14 GMT -5
Ours already felt plenty long.
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Post by adurot on Sept 12, 2024 9:23:28 GMT -5
It’s one of the things I’m gonna blame the need to fill a 24hr news cycle on.
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Post by skyth on Sept 12, 2024 11:48:46 GMT -5
I'm amused that fact checkers had to complain about Harris labeling Trump's tarriffs as a sales tax to be able to have something even though it operates in much the same way and the rhetoric is to point out the effects in a way a normal person would understand...
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Sept 12, 2024 11:55:21 GMT -5
What, the same fact checkers that 'fact checked' Harris on saying that Trump was going for a federal abortion ban? Even though Trump has flip flopped a billion times and has opened the door to one with his SC picks? His current day mood is that he thinks it is a state issue, what value is a fact check based on his current whim, given his history in office?
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Post by Haighus on Sept 12, 2024 13:24:44 GMT -5
I keep forgetting that the election cycle for you guys takes what, a full 18 months though in reality never really stops? I get that it's a big country and a lot of places to visit on campaign, but we don't really do that either.
Edit: I think it's more that we run elections on a per county basis and the PM sort of comes along with that; the party with most elected MP's gets to choose the PM. So whilst the leaders may do some campaigning at a national level, most of the local stuff is covered by the local candidates. Realistically people vote based on party most of the time anyway though, so maybe it's a distinction without a difference.
It has an impact, but not a huge one. For example, Jeremy Hunt was the only Tory to retain their seat in a Lib Dem target seat, and this seems to be solely through his strength as a campaigner. Didn't work for all his colleagues in target seats though.
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Post by mdgv2 on Sept 12, 2024 15:04:00 GMT -5
Seems Trump has chickened out of further debates.
Wuss. Wussy wussy wuss pants!
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Post by easye on Sept 12, 2024 17:00:18 GMT -5
Kamala should be shouting from the rooftops about how "weak" Trump is and afraid to debate her again. It erodes into his "strong man" image that appeals to the base's authoritarian tendencies. They abhor weakness or being seen as less than. Voters do not like voting for the losing side.
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Post by mdgv2 on Sept 12, 2024 17:09:46 GMT -5
Orange Chicken. No longer just a succulent Chinese meal.
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Post by skyth on Sept 12, 2024 17:13:02 GMT -5
I think they already have had ads/memes out there making Trump cluck like a chicken over various things prior to the debate.
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Post by mdgv2 on Sept 12, 2024 17:14:58 GMT -5
An keep needling at his lies about polls.
Hit him in his ego with the Fist Of Facts. Keep him blustering about how great he thinks he is.
Suggest maybe he’s too old and tired for further debates.
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Post by easye on Sept 12, 2024 20:15:35 GMT -5
I think they already have had ads/memes out there making Trump cluck like a chicken over various things prior to the debate. Yeah, I am pretty sure the Lincoln project did that in an ad.
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