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Post by Haighus on Oct 15, 2024 6:55:13 GMT -5
There were apparently 3 official car parks from 2-5 miles away, and part of the requirements for the venue (literally just a field on the each of Coachella) were that people were bussed in. It had no parking capacity so people had to park elsewhere. But then that's what happens when you cheap out on a venue, or are refused at the proper ones that have actual facilities. I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find a 15,000 capacity stadium near there. I was also under the impression this was in the middle of nowhere like the festival, but it's not far off the main road in Coachella and loads of restaurants, country clubs and stuff. It just goes to show how bad US infrastructure is for anything that's not cars. Not that I'd have wanted to walk in that heat, but I think after 10 minutes of there not being a coach I'd have started, there's only like 2 turns to make and it's a straight line to a McDonalds albeit a 40 minute walk away. Bussing is still a viable option OC, but good crowd management is needed to prevent a deadly situation arising. It sounds like there was almost no crowd management at all.
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Post by Haighus on Oct 15, 2024 6:59:27 GMT -5
I'm scratching my head a little at the whole "walking for 40 minutes in the dark" bit considering that's Tuesday for me half the year but at the same time I understand that when you're not expecting it (no reflective/hi-vis stuff) and having to walk along a US road as opposed to a Swedish one it's a far more daunting prospect. Less charitably: oh look, the Cops are being Bastards to you! DO YOU GET IT YET?? Yeah, I'd happily walk 40 mins in the dark without hi-vis (and do) along a UK pavement, especially with streetlights. Doing that along the side of a typical US road without pavements would be daunting. edit: the following line is wrong, described as pitch black after the meeting ended. However, I don't think it was dark when the event finished? Didn't it go dark when everyone was stuck in a confused crowd?
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Post by herzlos on Oct 15, 2024 7:23:14 GMT -5
The event finished at 7, so I'm guessing it was still light, though there were apparently still people there at 2am, so it definitely got dark on them. Being charitable to them, there's no sidewalks or street lights right at the venue, and being bussed in means they may not be sure what direction their car is. They'd also stopped accepting people onto the coaches at 11:30 so these people will have been standing around in a hot field with inadequate food, water and shelter for at least 8 hours. Even someone in good health would be struggling by that point. So I'm actually surprised no-one died, though no doubt a few folk are ill. But then if it was me I'd have probably bailed as soon as I saw the food queues, or when the food or water ran out. But then I'm not devoted to anything like the MAGAs are to God-Emperor Trump.
I just can't comprehend people still standing around in the field 3-7 hours after the event finished and the busses stopped.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Oct 15, 2024 9:00:17 GMT -5
A short google says sunset in LA is around 6:15 PM, so it would have been getting dark quickly.
Maybe the people just milling about in a field for hours might be indicative of the car culture in some of the US, where it just isn't considered a walkable distance? It's quite ironic coming from the political side that loves calling others sheep.
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Post by easye on Oct 15, 2024 9:12:22 GMT -5
At least Mussolini made the trains run on time!* Trump can't even get the buses to his own events to run.
* = This may be apocryphal
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Oct 15, 2024 9:32:15 GMT -5
A walk of 5 miles in the desert with insufficient water is no joke. I’m surprised there wasn’t a death toll. When we went hiking near there in a place with ready water and services, there were still ambulance calls every half hour. People don’t realize just how quickly they can get dehydrated or over heated.
I was also wondering about the temperature plummeting. Perhaps Coachella doesn’t get that so bad as other deserts—I wonder if maybe that’s part of why they have festivals there—but I was fully expecting to read about children and elderly people in shorts and T-shirts suddenly experiencing near-freezing conditions.
Also, the guy charging $200 for a ride was the most Trumpian response to a disaster possible. Perfect metaphor for MAGA.
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Oct 15, 2024 9:38:45 GMT -5
A short google says sunset in LA is around 6:15 PM, so it would have been getting dark quickly. Maybe the people just milling about in a field for hours might be indicative of the car culture in some of the US, where it just isn't considered a walkable distance? It's quite ironic coming from the political side that loves calling others sheep. Walking in the desert is much more daunting than walking in a city or suburb, especially if one is hot and tired and dehydrated.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Oct 15, 2024 9:46:15 GMT -5
A short google says sunset in LA is around 6:15 PM, so it would have been getting dark quickly. Maybe the people just milling about in a field for hours might be indicative of the car culture in some of the US, where it just isn't considered a walkable distance? It's quite ironic coming from the political side that loves calling others sheep. Walking in the desert is much more daunting than walking in a city or suburb, especially if one is hot and tired and dehydrated. I assume, given the common Trump rally, they had been standing uncovered in the full sun for hours at that point. I guess a lot of his supporters might not be able to physically make it, but you would expect more people to at least try, even if to their own detriment. It says it's around 25° degrees up to midnight, so not cold at all.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Oct 15, 2024 9:50:38 GMT -5
Also, the guy charging $200 for a ride was the most Trumpian response to a disaster possible. Perfect metaphor for MAGA. I have to laugh at that quote, these people really have no shame, complaining about socialism and handouts all day long, but when they suddenly need help it's "being taken advantage of". Basic supply and demand capitalism.
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Post by Haighus on Oct 15, 2024 9:55:45 GMT -5
A short google says sunset in LA is around 6:15 PM, so it would have been getting dark quickly. Maybe the people just milling about in a field for hours might be indicative of the car culture in some of the US, where it just isn't considered a walkable distance? It's quite ironic coming from the political side that loves calling others sheep. Walking in the desert is much more daunting than walking in a city or suburb, especially if one is hot and tired and dehydrated. I don't doubt that is the case, but I'm not convinced standing in an enormous crowd for even longer is much better. It really is amazing we aren't hearing of deaths.
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Post by herzlos on Oct 15, 2024 12:26:29 GMT -5
A short google says sunset in LA is around 6:15 PM, so it would have been getting dark quickly. Maybe the people just milling about in a field for hours might be indicative of the car culture in some of the US, where it just isn't considered a walkable distance? It's quite ironic coming from the political side that loves calling others sheep. Walking in the desert is much more daunting than walking in a city or suburb, especially if one is hot and tired and dehydrated.
I'm not sure you could call it walking in the desert, it's a flat straight paved road to the main part of town or the car parks, passing hundreds of houses and businesses. It'd hardly a dirt trail in the middle of nowhere. No sidewalks or street lights admittedly.
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Post by easye on Oct 15, 2024 12:36:21 GMT -5
www.npr.org/2024/10/15/g-s1-28276/trump-town-hallTrump town hall ends with 'musical-fest' while he stands on stageAmazing how the "media" is sane-washing Trump, and how they dog-piled Biden. I have no idea what the hell is going on with America, but it is frightening and weird. Plus, he refuses to release his medical records...... even Biden did that, and Harris has as well.
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Post by herzlos on Oct 15, 2024 12:49:17 GMT -5
That's just odd. I wonder if (a) this is some attempt to claim people don't leave his rallies early and (b) how many tracks he played without permission from the original artists.
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Post by adurot on Oct 15, 2024 14:01:13 GMT -5
Hell, I wonder how intentional getting a venue you had to be bussed to was as a means to preventing people from leaving early. Even then in his own supporter’s words a lot of people were leaving early to get to the gates and busses.
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Oct 15, 2024 14:40:21 GMT -5
Harris just retweeted the end of Monday’s rally with the comment “Hope he’s okay.”
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