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Post by Disciple of Fate on Nov 7, 2024 5:05:48 GMT -5
"But her emails" are such a distant memory, now they happily vote for the guy with secret documents stuffed in his bathroom.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Nov 7, 2024 5:09:43 GMT -5
What I'm more concerned about is the validation of hate. I'm fairly sure Trump won't be able to carry out his most unhinged stuff at a national level, but his riled up militias will feel that they can. Especially in counties with MAGA sheriffs. I saw a TikTok earlier of a girl crying because her immigrant mother asked her if she needs to carry a passport now to prevent getting deported, and the comments were possibly the most vile I've ever seen. The mask is right off, and we've got a lot of angry people who suddenly feel like they have a duty to carry out what Trump has been calling for. Hate crimes must be going through the roof, though we don't even know how much won't even get reported. I think that's good advice in any case if you aren't in the demographic that tans like a lobster, because the US has a history of detaining and even deporting citizens by mistake(?). |
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Post by Peregrine on Nov 7, 2024 5:15:02 GMT -5
What I'm more concerned about is the validation of hate. I'm fairly sure Trump won't be able to carry out his most unhinged stuff at a national level, but his riled up militias will feel that they can. Especially in counties with MAGA sheriffs. I saw a TikTok earlier of a girl crying because her immigrant mother asked her if she needs to carry a passport now to prevent getting deported, and the comments were possibly the most vile I've ever seen. The mask is right off, and we've got a lot of angry people who suddenly feel like they have a duty to carry out what Trump has been calling for. Hate crimes must be going through the roof, though we don't even know how much won't even get reported. This is exactly why I've been saying for so long that the left is making a serious mistake by pushing gun control and refusing to arm themselves. The first and most dangerous threat is not the military rolling in with tanks and drone strikes, it's your local bigot who (probably correctly) thinks the cops will look the other way while he does a little violence against the people he hates. These people just got a whole lot of validation and the only thing that will keep them in line is knowing that every time they try to hurt someone they're rolling the dice on instant death. |
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Post by Hordini on Nov 7, 2024 6:02:28 GMT -5
Also - I hate to be that guy, but I thought the Republicans were the party of personal responsibility? He fucked around with drugs and found out. Soz. That's a pretty messed up thing to say. |
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Post by crispy78 on Nov 7, 2024 6:04:24 GMT -5
Also - I hate to be that guy, but I thought the Republicans were the party of personal responsibility? He fucked around with drugs and found out. Soz. That's a pretty messed up thing to say. Least I didn't pretend to be wanking about it |
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Post by Peregrine on Nov 7, 2024 6:12:22 GMT -5
That's a pretty messed up thing to say. I agree, but as context it's the exact same thing I see republicans saying about people struggling with addiction (and often homelessness/health problems/etc as a result): personal responsibility, don't do the crime if you can't do the time, etc. And that's the mild form, when it isn't blatant "just let that subhuman filth die in the streets". And while I don't have a specific quote of Whembly himself saying those things about cases he didn't have a personal connection to he has certainly aligned himself with the people who do. |
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Post by A Town Called Malus on Nov 7, 2024 6:57:42 GMT -5
Also - I hate to be that guy, but I thought the Republicans were the party of personal responsibility? He fucked around with drugs and found out. Soz. That's a pretty messed up thing to say. So was kidnapping children and traumatising them as a "deterrent". Difference is one of those things was actual, enforced government policy. |
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Post by herzlos on Nov 7, 2024 7:45:27 GMT -5
What I'm more concerned about is the validation of hate. I'm fairly sure Trump won't be able to carry out his most unhinged stuff at a national level, but his riled up militias will feel that they can. Especially in counties with MAGA sheriffs. I saw a TikTok earlier of a girl crying because her immigrant mother asked her if she needs to carry a passport now to prevent getting deported, and the comments were possibly the most vile I've ever seen. The mask is right off, and we've got a lot of angry people who suddenly feel like they have a duty to carry out what Trump has been calling for. Hate crimes must be going through the roof, though we don't even know how much won't even get reported. I think that's good advice in any case if you aren't in the demographic that tans like a lobster, because the US has a history of detaining and even deporting citizens by mistake(?).
I'm not sure. It'd make sense if you were likely to be stopped by a decent cop or immigration agent, but if you're held up by a militia they are more likely to destroy the passport claiming it's fake or you're still not a valid citizen, than accept it and let you go free. Then you're completely f*'d.
The folk who'll be encouraged to take Trumps words seriously and assume anyone who is vaguely hispanic (which probably includes anyone not 'Murican enough) aren't likely to be the most reasonable people to talk to.
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Post by mdgv2 on Nov 7, 2024 7:50:57 GMT -5
I don’t think it was out of order. Uncouth, sure. But factually accurate.
It doesn’t matter who provided them, because the user bought it/smoked it - a choice and a matter of risk management purely their own, even if it was someone else passing the Dutchy by the left hand side. And with street drugs? That’s a well known risk.
I can understand Whembly’s upset (if the story is true and not simply plucked from the Far Right Gobshites Big Book Of Conveniently Racist Lies) at the death. But shaking one’s fist uttering “Mexicaaaaaaans” misses the point entirely. Because its suggesting the sole source of illegal drugs is Mexico, which is bollocks. And nobody, absolutely nobody, is increasing the potency of their filth At No Extra Charge. Let alone with enough that a single joint is going to fucking kill you (outside of allergic reaction)
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Post by crispy78 on Nov 7, 2024 7:56:48 GMT -5
Uncouth but factually accurate. Heh, I'll take that  |
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Nov 7, 2024 8:04:18 GMT -5
I'm not sure. It'd make sense if you were likely to be stopped by a decent cop or immigration agent, but if you're held up by a militia they are more likely to destroy the passport claiming it's fake or you're still not a valid citizen, than accept it and let you go free. Then you're completely f*'d. The folk who'll be encouraged to take Trumps words seriously and assume anyone who is vaguely hispanic (which probably includes anyone not 'Murican enough) aren't likely to be the most reasonable people to talk to.
Lets be real though, the second that sort of stuff starts happening, you're fucked either way. No point in planning for what to do with your passport when the local Sturmabteilung is free to patrol the streets for non-white people. |
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Post by crispy78 on Nov 7, 2024 8:12:02 GMT -5
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Post by Haighus on Nov 7, 2024 8:38:38 GMT -5
Haighus spraying it on cannabis, as in the claim made, would increase the cost as it’s a clear additive. Somewhat fair, they probably didn't think they were buying solely cannabis. But they may not have thought they were buying cannabis laced with fent, but instead cannabis laced with heroin or some other drug. It is a well-documented issue that a lot of illicit drugs are being substituted for fentanyl because fentanyl is much cheaper, without the buyers being aware of this. A lot of fent overdoses happen to people who had no idea they bought fent at all. Again, you can buy a small amount of powder or a pill being sold as heroin, that turns out to be entirely or mostly fentanyl at 30x the potency. Receiving a dose of opioids 30x what you are used to is lethal for most people without medical support. For reference, that is a bigger difference in strength than buying a typical beer and being given 95% absinthe instead, and you can't tell the difference until it inside the body and the fentanyl is cheaper to produce than an equivalent quantity of heroin or oxy or morphine or cocaine etc. (unlike absinthe vs beer). If you drank a pint of 95% absinthe like it was beer, how do you think you would take it? Now drink another pint of absinthe straight after, and that is roughly equivalent in potency difference. There was also an education/awareness issue where fent was being sold as equivalent to heroin or oxycodone etc., when in actuality it is much stronger. I suspect that has mostly passed by this point. |
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Post by Haighus on Nov 7, 2024 8:46:51 GMT -5
Oh, it is also the case that other opioids are becoming very scarce with fent becoming the only one actually available, and if you are addicted to opioids there isn't a safe alternative for most US citizens in that situation. Given its potency only very small doses are needed, which requires more precision in dosing. Therefore it is a lot easier to mess up the dosing and less forgiving if you do, but you might not have any other choice to get the fix. Especially as access to addiction services to get off opioids is also very poor in the US.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Nov 7, 2024 8:50:22 GMT -5
Furthermore, Biden/Harris' border policies radicalized me. [...] Even though I didn't vote for Trump during the primaries...but I would've crawled over broken glass to vote for him in the general because Democrat policies are what is wrong with this country.
I'd like to point out, while I remember, that the timeline for this supposed radicalization doesn't hold up to scrutiny. You were on this very forum backing Trump's border wall during his first incumbency. Here's me in 2018 commenting on the whole "I'm fine with an Israel-style border" thing that you' then acknowledged you had to walk back because it was way worse than what you had in mind. While you, as you pointed out then, did walk it back in the face of evidence that it was a bad suggestion you can't escape the fact that you originally argued that it was a good idea while not knowing anything about the situation.
Then there's other instances that also predate the Biden administration, such as Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi, the "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" back and forth, Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi, the anthropogenic climate change link SNAFU, Benghazi, Clinton's e-mails, Benghazi, and so on. There's plenty of evidence to suggest you were radicalized well before Biden was inaugurated and that blaming it on Biden is either just a post-hoc justification for views you already had or Biden being when you finally caught up to what your detractors had been saying about you for years at that point. As you argued yourself you haven't actually changed all that much politically, you were always like this.
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