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Post by easye on Mar 15, 2024 15:25:17 GMT -5
Yes, Carlos keep focusing on the attack and ignore the bigger picture and atmosphere of it. Perhaps no one will see the state sponsored discrimination in Oklahoma that precipitated the attack. I feel like there is an Alt-Right playbook video on this subject. |
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Mar 15, 2024 15:48:56 GMT -5
Yes, Carlos keep focusing on the attack and ignore the bigger picture and atmosphere of it. Perhaps no one will see the state sponsored discrimination in Oklahoma that precipitated the attack. I feel like there is an Alt-Right playbook video on this subject. I believe this best fits. (No it isn't perfect, but it is a good watch IMO) For anyone curious, you can be knocked out for as little as three seconds according to a quick google search, something carlo is apparently incapable of. Also note their refusal to address what the autopsy says and skip past that to something they think they can address without using evidence. (and trotting out the "DON'T TRUST MAINSTREAM MEDIA!" garbage. MSM sources may not be great, but they're infinitely better than whatever "radio show" or PJ media-like site carlo is getting their news from.) |
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Post by skyth on Mar 15, 2024 16:33:09 GMT -5
I find it that those that whinging about 'mainstream media' is a pretty good indication of a bad-faith poster that should just be ignored
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Post by adurot on Mar 15, 2024 20:07:39 GMT -5
Considering that Nex blacked out from the attack and it lasted minutes...They could have done damage. And they were the aggressors with the bullying. You can't insult and belittle someone and not expect them to throw a drink in your face... Jesus Christ, you really fell for the Mainstream Media misreporting this thing haven't you? The "attack" did NOT last minutes. And if Nex blacked out it was one of the shortest blackouts in history. As I already mentioned the school surveillance system caught ALL of this incident except the actual fight. That fight took place in the woman's restroom and it was 25 seconds from the time Nex walked in, to the time she walked out. How are you getting "minutes with a blackout" out of that? What’s your source for that time frame? First google search result says the security footage has the fight lasting a couple minutes. Over five times the length you describe. |
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Post by herzlos on Mar 16, 2024 4:23:45 GMT -5
I find it that those that whinging about 'mainstream media' is a pretty good indication of a bad-faith poster that should just be ignored Yeah. As much as I find most of the mainstream media trash, at least it's got some regulations and has seen integrity at some point, unlike stuff like Breitbart or QAnon. Does Fox News count as mainstream media? From what I can tell it's not regulated by the FCC, so is it technically an entertainment channel or something? |
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Post by Peregrine on Mar 16, 2024 4:39:16 GMT -5
From what I can tell it's not regulated by the FCC, so is it technically an entertainment channel or something? This is somewhat of a misconception. The FCC regulations only apply to broadcast channels, not cable. Fox News isn't exempt from FCC regulation because of being labeled entertainment, it's exempt for the simple reason that it is only available by cable and does not broadcast an RF signal for the FCC to regulate. It's like how this forum is exempt from FCC regulations regardless of its content.
(The "we're entertainment not news" thing was a defense against a defamation lawsuit, not an FCC thing. Fox News claimed that because they're "entertainment" nobody would take their comments seriously and therefore it wouldn't qualify as defamation.)
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Mar 16, 2024 11:22:15 GMT -5
I find it that those that whinging about 'mainstream media' is a pretty good indication of a bad-faith poster that should just be ignored Yeah. As much as I find most of the mainstream media trash, at least it's got some regulations and has seen integrity at some point, unlike stuff like Breitbart or QAnon. Does Fox News count as mainstream media? From what I can tell it's not regulated by the FCC, so is it technically an entertainment channel or something? Fox news has the largest watched program on TV (supposedly, I haven't checked for a source on that tbh), they're absolutely 100% mainstream. |
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Post by carlo87 on Mar 17, 2024 8:03:22 GMT -5
Caro87, can you clarify what your point here is? Do you think the exact number of seconds changes anything of substance, or is your goal to minimize the impact of the bullying for some reason? My point is that an incident happened, we can all agree on that. Bringing in misinformation and/or lies into the conversation isn't helping. The narrative originally started that this was some kind-of surprise assault that came out of nowhere and was a prolonged beating that caused this child's death. Slowly the facts started dripping in, yet people still cling to the original misreporting. And, yes, I do think there is a difference between a fight that lasts a few seconds, and a one-sided beat-down that lasts minutes. It's huge difference in culpability. |
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Post by skyth on Mar 17, 2024 8:51:52 GMT -5
It was a one-sided beatdown and it did lead to the child's death.
So you going to take your own advise and stop posting?
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Post by Peregrine on Mar 19, 2024 5:09:23 GMT -5
Caro87, can you clarify what your point here is? Do you think the exact number of seconds changes anything of substance, or is your goal to minimize the impact of the bullying for some reason? My point is that an incident happened, we can all agree on that. Bringing in misinformation and/or lies into the conversation isn't helping. The narrative originally started that this was some kind-of surprise assault that came out of nowhere and was a prolonged beating that caused this child's death. Slowly the facts started dripping in, yet people still cling to the original misreporting. And, yes, I do think there is a difference between a fight that lasts a few seconds, and a one-sided beat-down that lasts minutes. It's huge difference in culpability.
A very brief assault can kill or severely injure a person. Even a single punch can kill. So I don't see where the exact timeline makes any meaningful difference to any of the conclusions. The attackers are guilty, the school is almost certainly guilty of negligence, and the victim is dead.
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Post by carlo87 on Mar 21, 2024 10:33:53 GMT -5
Jesus Christ, you really fell for the Mainstream Media misreporting this thing haven't you? The "attack" did NOT last minutes. And if Nex blacked out it was one of the shortest blackouts in history. As I already mentioned the school surveillance system caught ALL of this incident except the actual fight. That fight took place in the woman's restroom and it was 25 seconds from the time Nex walked in, to the time she walked out. How are you getting "minutes with a blackout" out of that? What’s your source for that time frame? First google search result says the security footage has the fight lasting a couple minutes. Over five times the length you describe. Would you like to see the school surveillance video? www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9-hYUr64gNex enters the bathroom at 2:02. Faculty enters at 2:26 to break up the fight. Nex leaves the bathroom at 2:56. Let's give a couple second for walking in (and throwing water), and a couple more for walking out. That's 50 seconds of beating, even if we assume it was one sided which according to Nex she gave pretty well too, AND that the fight continued for the 30 seconds after the staff entered to break it up. Assuming the fight stopped soon after the Staff enters, that's 20-25 seconds. |
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Post by carlo87 on Mar 21, 2024 10:36:27 GMT -5
It was a one-sided beatdown and it did lead to the child's death. So you going to take your own advise and stop posting? How was this a one-sided beatdown. By Nex's own admission, on film, she stated they stated they not only started the fight, but threw punches, pulled hair, shoved one girl into a towel dispenser, and threw her to the ground. That's pretty far from one-sided. |
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Post by skyth on Mar 21, 2024 10:39:21 GMT -5
3 on one is a one-sided beatdown. And 'starting the fight' when all they did was splash water on them...That's not 'starting a fight' Thus, are you going to take your own advise about misinformation and/or lies?
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Post by carlo87 on Mar 21, 2024 10:40:15 GMT -5
My point is that an incident happened, we can all agree on that. Bringing in misinformation and/or lies into the conversation isn't helping. The narrative originally started that this was some kind-of surprise assault that came out of nowhere and was a prolonged beating that caused this child's death. Slowly the facts started dripping in, yet people still cling to the original misreporting. And, yes, I do think there is a difference between a fight that lasts a few seconds, and a one-sided beat-down that lasts minutes. It's huge difference in culpability.
A very brief assault can kill or severely injure a person. Even a single punch can kill. So I don't see where the exact timeline makes any meaningful difference to any of the conclusions. The attackers are guilty, the school is almost certainly guilty of negligence, and the victim is dead.
The instigator is dead, but not from the fight. The girls that fought them are guilty of getting into a fight, but not of killing her. If you listen to the interview with the police, Nex stated that this feud had been going on for a year, but never reported it to the school, so that does limit the negligence of the school. And yes, the length of a fight can, and has been used to distinguish culpability. |
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Post by carlo87 on Mar 21, 2024 10:42:37 GMT -5
3 on one is a one-sided beatdown. And 'starting the fight' when all they did was splash water on them...That's not 'starting a fight' Thus, are you going to take your own advise about misinformation and/or lies? It definitely IS starting a fight. If you want to have a difference of opinion on that, fine. Starting a fight with three people was a poor decision on Nex's part. And seeing as I posted links backing up what I said, what "lies" would you be referring to? |
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