skyth
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Post by skyth on Jul 18, 2024 10:43:35 GMT -5
From what I heard, the shooter had major depression and was checking out where both Biden and Trump were. Looks like this wasn't political at all if this is true.
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Post by Hordini on Jul 18, 2024 14:23:44 GMT -5
2A people wanting to ban Dems from having guns! Say it ain't so! If they want to ban Democrats from having guns, then they aren't actually 2A people. |
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Post by Haighus on Jul 18, 2024 14:34:34 GMT -5
2A people wanting to ban Dems from having guns! Say it ain't so! If they want to ban Democrats from having guns, then they aren't actually 2A people. Sure, you can go all "no true Scotsman" on this, but there are plenty of prominent supporters of the 2nd Amendment who implicitly or overtly think it should only apply to people they support. Reagan is a great example- openly supported the 2nd Amendment, but when he was governor of California specifically restricted gun rights to target the Black Panthers. |
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Post by Hordini on Jul 18, 2024 14:54:34 GMT -5
If they want to ban Democrats from having guns, then they aren't actually 2A people. Sure, you can go all "no true Scotsman" on this, but there are plenty of prominent supporters of the 2nd Amendment who implicitly or overtly think it should only apply to people they support. Reagan is a great example- openly supported the 2nd Amendment, but when he was governor of California specifically restricted gun rights to target the Black Panthers. It's not about "no true Scotsman," it's about following the Constitution and actions versus words. Based on his actions, Reagan did not actually support the 2A. |
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Post by Peregrine on Jul 18, 2024 16:27:34 GMT -5
Certainly, was listening to a Sam Harris podcast the other day You should probably stop doing that. Do you really think a Black Woman candidate has the ghost of a chance in America? Why not? Obama succeeded very well and if Biden did the smart thing (assuming replacing him is the plan) he'd resign before the election so the "first black woman president" factor would already be over and Harris would have the incumbent advantage. The racists will absolutely hate it but the racists are already voting for Trump. I'd certainly give her more of a chance than an empty suit like Newsom who offers nothing more than any random old white dude and doesn't bring any name recognition, incumbent advantage, or access to the campaign money Harris would have.
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Post by easye on Jul 18, 2024 16:51:07 GMT -5
Newsflash..... Harris couldn't beat Biden in a Primary. Yet somehow she is going to beat Trump?
Perhaps you were asleep, but the MAGA movement kicked off for two reasons:
1. We had a Back President
2. The follow-up leading contender to be the next President was a woman
Yet, somehow people think Harris will beat Trump in a National election. That's a take......
Let's run through the contenders if we dump Biden:
- Harris - Black women, prosecutor. but can access Biden's cash. Lost in the Primaries to Biden
- Newsome- Bland white dude, but is also the Governor of Liberal CA, never run in a National election.
- Whitmer - Female candidate that was a leader during COVID. Never run in a National election
- Mayor Pete - Lost in the Primaries to Biden, Gay, Corporate consultant.
- The Klob - Female candidate, Prosecutor, Lost in the Primaries to Biden
- Hilary - Lost to Trump in 2016, perhaps the most hated woman in America
- Schumer, Pelosi, Warren, Bernie - You guys thought Biden was too old?
- Hakeem Jeffries - Who? A younger black man, speaker of the House. No National elections.
- Duckworth, Shapiro, other also rans - Who again? No National appeal
I think Biden is right, he IS the only one who can beat Trump and has proven it. He crushed in every Primary unopposed and won enough in 2016 to win. Yet somehow, he isn't good enough of a candidate. Well, if Biden isn't good enough to beat Trump, there is no one on the Dem bench who can. Trying to change it now reeks of Bernie/Hillary 2016 all-over again! I mean, there is no clear consensus within the party on who would replace him and the Primaries are over!
Therefore, I recommend we nominate George Clooney/Michelle Obama as the 2024 ticket. Might as well go for the ridiculous pie in the sky hail Mary, since that seems to be the plan by dumping Biden!
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Post by Peregrine on Jul 18, 2024 17:03:12 GMT -5
Newsflash..... Harris couldn't beat Biden in a Primary. Yet somehow she is going to beat Trump?
First of all, what does her ability to beat Biden have to do with anything? Whether democrats prefer Harris or Biden is not the relevant question, it's whether democrats prefer a less-than-ideal democrat or a man utterly opposed to everything they stand for.
Second, who is any better? If the premise is that Biden needs to be replaced then who is going to do better than Harris? She has the name recognition, she can have the incumbent advantage, she can have the "she will carry on my legacy" factor, and she has access to the funding and campaign infrastructure. Do you really think someone like Newsom is going to go from zero to winning better than the person already positioned to take the job?
What does the MAGA movement have to do with anything? MAGA isn't voting for Harris, or Biden, or anyone except Trump. Even if Trump dies half of them will vote for his corpse to own the libs and the other half will vote for him while claiming his death is fake news. Letting MAGA dictate who the democrats run is profoundly stupid.
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Post by easye on Jul 18, 2024 17:05:55 GMT -5
If you can't beat Biden in a Primary, you can't even get Democrats to vote for you.
If you play into what kicked off the MAGA movement, what makes you think America is ready to elect Harris?
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Post by Peregrine on Jul 18, 2024 17:10:54 GMT -5
If you can't beat Biden in a Primary, you can't even get Democrats to vote for you. That is not how it works. In a primary you are choosing which democrat you prefer. In a general election you are choosing republican or democrat. Voting for one democrat over another democrat does not mean someone will vote for Trump instead of their less-preferred democrat.
The point is that MAGA doesn't matter. Biden will not bring them back. Newsom will not bring them back. MAGA is voting for Trump and only Trump no matter what the democrats do. Picking a candidate based on "what if these people who absolutely hate us and will not vote for us under any circumstances decide not to vote for us" is utter lunacy.
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skyth
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Post by skyth on Jul 18, 2024 17:22:17 GMT -5
You run the risk of energizing the MAGA base even more and making more of them turn out.
'old white guy' isn't a reason to turn out to vote for some of them, whereas 'black woman' is.
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Post by Peregrine on Jul 18, 2024 17:27:38 GMT -5
You run the risk of energizing the MAGA base even more and making more of them turn out. 'old white guy' isn't a reason to turn out to vote for some of them, whereas 'black woman' is. But do you really? The defining element of the MAGA base is their rabid devotion to Trump, I'm skeptical that their turnout can get any higher than it already is. |
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Post by herzlos on Jul 18, 2024 17:44:47 GMT -5
So Trumps ear is apparently fine, he's been out and about without bandages though the bandages appear for any official appearances like the RNC convention. More bizarre is that loads of people are sporting ear bandages at the RNC convention, in support/solidarity with Trump or something, edition.cnn.com/2024/07/18/politics/video/rnc-ear-bandages-trump-digvid |
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Post by Peregrine on Jul 18, 2024 19:08:59 GMT -5
And this is exactly why it's a cult.
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Post by greyeminence on Jul 18, 2024 20:08:50 GMT -5
Mod edit - We're not doing this.
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Post by Peregrine on Jul 18, 2024 21:08:10 GMT -5
You know, nobody on the right talks about Kamala Harris being black, because she's not, she's an Indian mongrel; she and Candace Owens are not the same species. W actuallye don't talk about her at all but if we did it would be racism free because magaboomers love black people. The maga base is the genuine realization of DEI and anti-racism, there are zero barriers to entry, the true American dream. And thank God all that will change with Vance.
2/10 effort. You've got the racism to be offensive but if you want your trolling to be effective you need to build up to the big finish, if you go straight to stuff like "Indian mongrel" you give it away too easily and everyone just ignores you until an admin comes on to ban you. Please put more effort into your next attempt.
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