skyth
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Post by skyth on Nov 7, 2024 10:48:34 GMT -5
There is no grace to give to people that get off on hurting other people.
There is no grace to give to people that intentionally lie about things as part of their argument.
There is no grace to give to people that do not argue in good faith.
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Nov 7, 2024 11:13:57 GMT -5
What’s the TLDR? I’d like to know before I click. |
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Nov 7, 2024 11:15:23 GMT -5
I don't think that's true, on a political level there is certainly grace being given in equal treatment.
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Post by tannhauser42 on Nov 7, 2024 11:29:31 GMT -5
There's an Elden Ring joke to be made here about grace, tarnished, and maidenless.
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Post by crispy78 on Nov 7, 2024 11:32:32 GMT -5
What’s the TLDR? I’d like to know before I click. Comedian portraying a fictional news reporter. His videos are generally in the format of giving a powerful impassioned rant on a subject in the moments just before going on air to give a very anodyne neutral update on the same topic. They are funny but very well-argued. Only 5 mins long, if you don't enjoy it you won't be wasting a huge amount of time on it. |
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Post by whembly on Nov 7, 2024 11:32:55 GMT -5
There is no grace to give to people that get off on hurting other people. There is no grace to give to people that intentionally lie about things as part of their argument. There is no grace to give to people that do not argue in good faith. Man, you lie as easy as you breath. |
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skyth
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Post by skyth on Nov 7, 2024 12:01:03 GMT -5
As is commonly said, every accusation from a right-winger is an admission.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Nov 7, 2024 12:28:47 GMT -5
It also makes no sense as a response, because by saying you're lying, he's implying you do extend grace to such people.
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skyth
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Post by skyth on Nov 7, 2024 12:29:07 GMT -5
I think there needs to be a clear distinction between "cross the border illegally and simply claim asylum" and "crossing the border for asylum". There are indeed many individuals who cross illegally and claim asylum when they are in actuality here for economic/simple relocation purposes. Claiming asylum is just a way to create a beachhead for them. Now apply that same logic, but replace the idea of asylum with possessing a firearm... |
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Nov 7, 2024 12:31:30 GMT -5
But it makes no sense, this isn't Michael Scott going "I declare asylum!" There is a whole procedure to see if you do indeed qualify. The statement makes a non-existent distinction, because they all end up turning to the authorities to even make such a claim.
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Post by A Town Called Malus on Nov 7, 2024 12:31:57 GMT -5
I think there needs to be a clear distinction between "cross the border illegally and simply claim asylum" and "crossing the border for asylum". There are indeed many individuals who cross illegally and claim asylum when they are in actuality here for economic/simple relocation purposes. Claiming asylum is just a way to create a beachhead for them. There was no such distinction when it came to separating parents from their children. Read the article I posted. |
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Post by Haighus on Nov 7, 2024 12:35:48 GMT -5
Anyway... to move on from whatever this is...
I think this election really highlights the death of liberal centrism, particularly American liberal centrism, as a powerful force that can reliably win US elections. The Republican centrists have been dead for awhile, and they did nothing to help the Democrats when endorsing them. In more detail, I think it belies the opinion that only nerds care about about policy.
The Democrat platform this election was lacking in policy. Their main offering was "not Trump", and whilst that can definitely win some voters, it clearly isn't a good basis for an electoral coalition. They also got bogged down fighting culture war bullshit on Republican turf.
Meanwhile, Trump spouts policy constantly. Much of it is bad, or impractical, or contradictory, but he has things to say on how the country should be run and these resonate with people. To his credit, so did Biden- he actually had an industrial policy and made some progress in achieving it. Harris offered basically nothing on this front, she even said she wouldn't change a thing from Biden which is basically saying she would do nothing to change the current situation when a lot of Americans are feeling the squeeze. This is probably why Biden did well in the rust belt and Harris did not.
When it comes down to it, the Democrat campaign was vibes and not a lot else. Did racism and misogyny play a role? Almost certainly, but I don't think that is what sunk the election for the Democrats by itself, although it will have made it more of an uphill battle for sure.
What I don't think this means is that the actual left is dead in the US, although it remains marginalised. For example, Harris lost Michigan overall and only had a slight majority in Oakland county, but Tlaib comfortably held her seat there.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Nov 7, 2024 12:38:47 GMT -5
The question is if going left is a viable electoral strategy for the Democrats? Possibly, but as so many voters vote on feelings, what does an appealing platform matter?
As for policy, Clinton was a policy monster and still lost to the guy just making stuff up.
Would a straight white guy have won where Harris did not?
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 7, 2024 12:39:56 GMT -5
Well, figured I'd check back in.jisy to see what a shit show it is, and I'm not disappointed.
Everyone else has clowned on whem- sorry, despic, enough that I'm not gonna bother, but I do want to say one thing before I leave again, hopefully.
Hordini, for what it's worth... You're part of the problem. By pretending he holds valid opinions and positions, you're helping normalize those opinions by giving him a platform.
Not all opinions are equal, especially not uninformed bigoted ones like despic is spewing. Do the right thing for once instead of giving people an endless amount of chances. You know who despic is, you know who grey is, and they're not gonna change.
All you're doing is giving them a platform to troll others on. Is giving bigots a platform really that important to you? Is the hatred of other people we see from the right wing here worth it to you? Do you really believe anyone has had a productive discussion with despic, or gets anything out of interacting with them?
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Post by Haighus on Nov 7, 2024 12:40:51 GMT -5
I think there needs to be a clear distinction between "cross the border illegally and simply claim asylum" and "crossing the border for asylum". There are indeed many individuals who cross illegally and claim asylum when they are in actuality here for economic/simple relocation purposes. Claiming asylum is just a way to create a beachhead for them. Under international law (which in this case the US is a signatory of, unusually), there is no such thing as crossing the border illegally to claim asylum. Whatever method is used to cross becomes legal the moment asylum is claimed. If the asylum is rejected and the individual has no other legal right to enter, then they can be deported or what not as per local laws on border control. The best solution to refugees is to fund the processing services well so that inelegible claimants can be rejected swiftly. That is generally the cheapest option for managing this, and has the upside of treating the legimate claims more humanely as they get accepted quicker too. Storing large numbers of claimants in what amounts to prisons is far more expensive and degrading. |
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