|
Ukraine
Jan 15, 2024 10:34:22 GMT -5
Post by easye on Jan 15, 2024 10:34:22 GMT -5
Yeah, the long-game may end up paying off for Putin. Sad!
|
|
|
Ukraine
Jan 15, 2024 11:53:11 GMT -5
Post by pacific on Jan 15, 2024 11:53:11 GMT -5
Has anyone read anything on civil unrest within Russia caused by the war? If the deaths are around 200-400k (depending on which estimates are correct) with many times that number in casualties, that is a lot of sons, uncles, brothers now returning to their families. The Russian economy (What there was of it) is also being mauled by the war and with so much Russian capital being diverted for the war this will leave other social, industrial programmes going without.
There is obviously a waiting game going on within Russia, hoping for a Trump Whitehouse, or more Edgorans or Orbans to pop up in Europe and subvert financial and political support. But I think time is also not necessarily on Russia's side either, the longer it goes on. And we can't forget that Ukraine is fighting for its very survival, whereas the Russian military will be subsisting on propaganda that will no doubt quickly evaporate once they reach the front lines.
|
|
|
Post by Disciple of Fate on Jan 15, 2024 15:47:01 GMT -5
It's hard to tell, but opposition in Russia seems to focus more on getting those currently drafted home (i.e. replaced by others) as opposed to ending the war. The Russian economy is expected to be able to bridge another year before the cliff comes into view.
Meanwhile we see more public cracks on the Ukrainian side between Zelensky and the army. The draft opposition is increasing in Ukraine too. Meanwhile the best case scenario for US aid might be a Dem win/majority installation in January 2025...
It seems pretty bleak with what public information is available.
|
|
|
Post by easye on Jan 17, 2024 13:47:46 GMT -5
|
|
|
Ukraine
Jan 18, 2024 12:48:29 GMT -5
Post by easye on Jan 18, 2024 12:48:29 GMT -5
Is the War in Ukraine encouraging or discouraging more violence around the globe?
Your thoughts?
|
|
skyth
OT Cowboy
Posts: 344
|
Post by skyth on Jan 18, 2024 12:56:42 GMT -5
Well, Russia is encouraging other violence to distract the West from Ukraine so that the aid they are providing dries up.
|
|
|
Post by Disciple of Fate on Jan 19, 2024 12:13:53 GMT -5
Sadly the only reasons the aid is drying up are Republicans and European supplies running low. While other violence has distracted from the conflict, it hasn't affected aid in the same sense.
The ripples from helping Trump win years before the war, did more for the Russian war effort than anything else.
|
|
|
Ukraine
Jan 22, 2024 11:14:23 GMT -5
Post by pacific on Jan 22, 2024 11:14:23 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see what sort of disinformation/troll campaign Russia is lining up for over the summer in the US. I suspect it will be on a level never seen before, considering the outcome of the conflict could very well rest on a Trump or Biden win.
|
|
|
Post by easye on Jan 22, 2024 11:36:26 GMT -5
Plus, I am sure China and NK will tag-team in for Trump as well.
|
|
|
Ukraine
Jan 24, 2024 13:54:47 GMT -5
Post by easye on Jan 24, 2024 13:54:47 GMT -5
|
|
|
Ukraine
Jan 26, 2024 6:26:15 GMT -5
Post by pacific on Jan 26, 2024 6:26:15 GMT -5
I am not sure any of that can be viewed as any sort of victory, other than as the most stretched out piece of propaganda for people that know no better within Russia. What was the quote from the general in Russia when they were invading Finland? "We have just about won enough ground to bury our dead". Although I am sure Putin will (has to) spin it as such. Quite an interesting article about how the war has bogged down (quite literally at the moment) and the methods of fighting currently taking place. And again about the shortage of artillery ammunition. www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/25/how-drones-froze-ukraine-frontlines
|
|
|
Post by Disciple of Fate on Jan 26, 2024 10:49:16 GMT -5
It is a victory of sorts though, because even if the territorial gain is minimal. It shows that Russia can break the (what is a mostly Western based) rules of an international system, without long term international repercussions. How long before Western relations are normalized with Russia, will it take more years compared to after 2014? An autocratic government gets away with a blatant act of aggression, so what is preventing a repeat once they think their military is back up to strength? People like Putin will keep going until the last Russian, unless stopped.
|
|
|
Ukraine
Feb 19, 2024 15:54:17 GMT -5
Post by easye on Feb 19, 2024 15:54:17 GMT -5
|
|
|
Ukraine
Feb 20, 2024 5:07:26 GMT -5
Post by pacific on Feb 20, 2024 5:07:26 GMT -5
Quite interesting with Estonia giving what amounts to almost it's entire military budget to Ukraine (over a billion apparently) - they know exactly what is at stake here. Similarly massive amount of money coming from Sweden. And then on the other side of the coin you have this.. www.newstatesman.com/the-weekend-report/2024/01/revealed-city-of-london-vladimir-putin-oilAbsolutely no surprise at all to see shitheads from within the UK having an active role, you have absolutely no doubt at all that some people are making a tremendous amount of money from this conflict.
|
|
|
Ukraine
Feb 20, 2024 7:51:11 GMT -5
Post by redchimera on Feb 20, 2024 7:51:11 GMT -5
Quite interesting with Estonia giving what amounts to almost it's entire military budget to Ukraine (over a billion apparently) - they know exactly what is at stake here. Similarly massive amount of money coming from Sweden. And then on the other side of the coin you have this.. www.newstatesman.com/the-weekend-report/2024/01/revealed-city-of-london-vladimir-putin-oilAbsolutely no surprise at all to see shitheads from within the UK having an active role, you have absolutely no doubt at all that some people are making a tremendous amount of money from this conflict. Wee, that is utter shit.
|
|